Sorry GNHQ I don't like the Oldie Borum

Why don't we just let it lie and see how it goes?

It all adds a bit of interest.

I can understand that em.

I suppose we all did check the homepage when we say we were not forewarned? (I rarely go there!)

No. I don't think they even put anything on there. Which was downright daft a bit unthinking.

I think the thing that annoys me (apart from the way the OB was introduces without consulation) is the fact that the threads seem to have appeared without any serious evaluation of what was on here already and the age and profile of the people who post.
What I like about Gransnet is that posts and replies are generally much more considered than on other forums and people think before they write. It is the casual thoughtlessness that makes me cross.

Will a vote bring us to a happy conclusion jeni? If we try to exert the same pressure as has been brought to bear by introducing this unwanted aspect of Gransnet, we are getting into conflict that we might be able to avoid. My decision is to avoid the Borum threads, and until I am confident that there is contribution and not just interrogating questions being fired at us by people who we don't know anything about, I will be holding back from sharing anything that might be exploited.

Sadly, it feels like constructive threads like 'Denied Contact' will die the death as a result of this. How very sorry I am about that.

I think they were getting round to it when they were overtaken by the sudden posting of those threads. Perhaps whoever did that was not aware of how fast they would appear on Gransnet as well of the OmBm ? Perhaps it was even a trial run that got posted by mistake? We've all done it - clicked on publish instead of preview.

Thanks Elegran, for letting us know what can be seen. I wondered how you got in from the other end. But they need to log in again to get here?
Are they getting to see our response then?

Questions for GN:
If we start a thread there will they censor delete it if they don't like it?
Are they allowed to put in advertising on those threads? Which I already see once, and has been commented on...can we report it?
Are they allowed to advertise on other threads?
Has this all been worked out at all?

I want to make it clear that I don't like this either.
Feels like the time that the landlord of my friends' shared house introduced a new tenant, without any consultation. A lot of resentment.
Which shouldn't have been expressed to the tenant, but was.....

Come on, landlord, where are you?

That was a reply to Wotsits post. everyone is posting too fast to keep up with!

I should add that if I come across anything useful, I will pm those other Gransnetters who I know look to the 'Denied Contact' thread for support.

Geraldine has apologised for the way it was/was not introduced.

But we'd like another one.

More abject.

Oxon70 They can see everything on Gransnet - as can anyone who cares to look - but need to log into Gransnet as well as the OmBm to post.

So they will see our response if they look at the appropriate thread. I don't think there is anyone posting yet who was not on Gransnet already. it is very new.

Elegran I think Charlie omitted to tell Geri!

I think G came on here a bit red faced and flustered!

If so wotsit I hope that Geraldine kicked her butt suitably.

GERALDINE - have you got any comments on this?!

I gotta go shopping!

They have just (last month) put the whole mag onto the net to be accessed by subscribers. i suspect they want to boost numbers and Gransnet was a logical link.

Oxon70 summed it up. I don't like this so let's just hope that if we ignore it, it will go away. New individual members will continue to be warmly welcomed - but not something that feels like an invasion! Reasonable explanation, Geraldine but badly handled at source.

Thank you GA ...you've managed to put into words my un-ease (is there such a word? ) about this!

Think it was a great pity ...if GNHQ are managing this for them ...then why didn't they let the rest of us know in advance?
I suppose I can accept that they have the right to make changes with out consulting us ...but agree, I feel that it has completely changed the dynamics of what was a community of people ...who although disagreed occassionally ...trusted each other.

I am also surprised that no-one from GNHQ has posted on this thread to alleviate all these concerns? But perhaps they can't!

Right. That's what I thought. This site needs money to survive and they're not getting enough advertisers. (Have they not heard of the grey pound out there![hmm).

I still advocate we ignore them and see how long they can survive without us.

A rather better apology. 'Naughty corner' was jokey and inappropriate.

But the point about trust, expressed by others, is still there.

Thank you Geraldine. (troublemaking?!! )

I completely get why GNHQ have got involved with the Oldie, but en masse platforming them on to the Forums was misguided, and I guess those people who are looking in from the Oldie would say the same if their publication was taken over by Gransnet and their goalposts moved.

Can we have some sort of reassurance that they will just do as all other Gransnet members do - get involved in the threads, don't claim them as exclusively theirs (Borum Forum doesn't meld with Gransnet culture) and CONTRIBUTE, instead of extracting without even a hint of politeness.

If they can't do that, let's have them on the Home Page so we can visit if we choose and so can they.

I won't be reading Borum Forums - not for me.

If we don't post on 'em, I don't reckon there will be any borum threads. Once the organisers themselves stop posting.

But I bet some of you lot get tempted!