Ok Cari

Oh for heaven's sake, jingle probably wouldn't have been banned if she hadn't, in effect, challenged Gransnet to ban her. In my view, it's a case of attention-seeking gone wrong.

I don't agree, as I said somewhere else on this thread.

More likely that the threat permanently hanging over her made her resigned to being banned. Attention-seeking my eye!

jingl carried on posting in her usual style.

That's not attention seeking.

Up there ^^ someone said that we linger standing members are complaining about GN's attitude when we didn't previously. That's not true as posts were not deleted (or reported!) so often in the early days.

lara it's must be difficult to manage the threads where feelings are high on some of the subjects covered here, but some people do take things to heart instead of arguing the point they take it as a personal affront and report the poster, but is it fair to come down on one side or the other. If someone was to be banned surely both are at fault.

Jingle does feel strongly enough to post on GN, but should she suffer because others take posts personally, over the years she has tried to tone down her approach but time and time again she is reprimanded.

Jingle Has been a long time member of Mumsnet and has never been banned, her responses are no different there from any she makes on here... is it down to different members or Management?

As you can see by the responses on here and the other thread how members feel about Jingle

IMO 'guidelines' are what it says - guides not laws. I've only been reading and posting here for a couple of months and have no idea how long GN has been operating or how the guidelines were agreed. (Surely they were agreed and not imposed?) Neither do I know or care who the longest-standing posters are. I hope my posts have been respectful of all GNers even if I don't agree with them. I believe there is a quote from someone about freedom of speech that says "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"

In RL we have friends, neighbours and relatives whose views we don't always agree with but we don't go running to the local council or police to have them removed from our community, unless they have committed a crime. Even then they are presumed innocent till proven guilty in a court of law.

I read jings OP as a sarcastic comment on the way of the (GN) world, not as a goad to the moderators.

Thank you for responding to us LaraGransnet and as you can see we feel pretty strongly about Jingl being banished from this social platform.

NOW would be a great time to offer the olive branch, say to Jing she is allowed back by popular demand of her fellow Gransnetter. This does not mean that you condone anything she has said. Please give her another chance.

HQ would be seen as having b**lls, being prepared to listen to our requests on this occasion and the majority of us would be very grateful.

As I see it, Jings writes in a very straightforward , 'robust', fashion, and some people find it upsetting.
We're all different and GNHQ try to take into account all views.

I think we might be missing a vital fact here Swanny - no one agreed any guidelines because GN is a business .

It's not 'ours' it's an online business. Whilst I'm sure the HQ would like to be as accommodating as possible, after all without us there is no business- we are all replaceable.

GN is like a leaky bucket it keeps filling up with new members as old members leak out the bottom.

So the guidelines were imposed if you like exactly like any other on line forum.

Without any rules ( or guidelines ) this place would be a jungle( and even with them it has its moments )

Have you ever visited Mumsnet, NanaandGrampy?

Gransnet was its natural extension and I think the Rules etc. are the same, but Mumsnetters seem to be able to say just what they like with hardly a complaint, never mind a deletion!

Just because we're (mostly) over 50 doesn't mean we have to be on our best behaviour all the time - more tea, vicar?

Can you imagine the reaction of Mumsnetters if they had to endure the petty complaints and reporting that we have to?

I have Ana , it's not for me .

I haven't compared guidelines I'm afraid and because I don't post there I can't say if there are deletions.

I never said we had to be on our best behaviour ? I just said that rules in any large diverse group are necessary.

merlot it seems one rule for one one rule for another, Mumsnetters would be up in arms!!!1

There's lots of things they have that we don't. Including posting anonymously.

What on earth do you mean? I don't think merlotgran is called that in real life...

But why is it so different over here, feel like the poor relations.

On Mumsnet Ana you can choose to post anonymously to your user name . That's what I meant. At least I believe that's what you can do.

Are Mumsnetters any more anonymous that Gransnetters? Can they really post without showing their usernames? That doesn't sound right.

Think they can change names to make a post that could "out them"

I suppose Mumsnet's membership is so huge that HQ can't realistically keep track of all their internet IDs (which is what they say they can do if any of us dared try to use two or more usernames!)

Ah but we're old - one step away from the care home where all choices and decision making are taken away by those who know better.

We're banging our heads against a brick wall. They're NOT listening.

Think I meant 'internet addresses' there.

If someone on here was determined, they could use a friend or relative's computer or iphone to create a new username. Can't see why, though.

I would have to trawl through the threads to find an example but I think I'm right . I'm sure there are other things that are different between the two sites.

Merlot, it's all changed. They used to care about us, but it's a new regime now.

Had to laugh Merlotgran I see where you're coming from but this is a tiny little forum in the big picture of things . I think if we REALLY wanted to make a statement we could vote with our feet?