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An awful lot of nastiness these days, don’t you think?

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Daddima Tue 12-May-20 12:54:20

I think it’s sad that a great opportunity for discussion is being lost, when so many of us are missing interaction. I’d really be interested to hear others’ opinions on a topic, but it seems to me that so many threads descend into insults and name calling if your point of view isn’t agreed with. Would it be so difficult just to respectfully put forward your thoughts or opinions without feeling you have to make unkind comments on other posters’ views?
I’m sure it puts people off adding their opinions, as well as being tedious to trawl through a post full of infighting .

Redhead56 Tue 12-May-20 18:59:26

I agree with Daddima there are a lot of rude and uncalled for remarks and comments. I have also noticed people demanding others to prove why they have made a certain comment. I can only assume it is a bit of anxiety caused by the virus or these people have too much time on their hands.

rosie1959 Tue 12-May-20 19:05:01

I am a lurked and sometimes post you get the odd nasty remark but I also read mumsnet so this is very calm
I have noticed that out in real life people out in their gardens are much more likely to chat now we are incarcerated

Chewbacca Tue 12-May-20 20:56:13

I can only assume it is a bit of anxiety caused by the virus or these people have too much time on their hands.

You may be right there Redhead because on the Coronavirus threads and the news & politics threads the anger and aggression towards anyone who dares not to agree with main contributors is palpable. Disagreeing with a poster there isn't enough; you have to be prepared to back up any statement with clinically accredited data and be prepared to be told that your childish and irresponsible if you can't. Not so much a discussion as a Spanish Inquisition.

GagaJo Tue 12-May-20 21:55:04

Redhead56, those that demand evidence were like this before, it's nothing to do with C19. There are little gangs of Gangster Grannies on here. At least they don't roam the streets with knives! Cutting tone instead maybe.

PageTurner Tue 12-May-20 22:24:39

oscaroll I agree completely with your post.
I'm on GN nearly every night, usually before I go to sleep.
I don't post on any threads where posters are likely to be unpleasant.
I stick to "generic" topics such as books, health, pets, gardening, etc. That way I keep myself on an even keel ?

Chewbacca Tue 12-May-20 23:31:04

I've just stumbled across a thread that was started earlier today and I've only just read it.
OP: opening post
2nd post: Where's your evidence? Prove it.

Marydoll Tue 12-May-20 23:53:30

Chewy, I remember when I first came on GN, I would have tears of laughter running down my face, sparring with you and Lemongrove.
Oh to return to those heady days.

The nasty people in real life, just become more aggressive and antagonistic on here, because they are cowards, who hide behind the anonyminity of their user name.
You wouldn't have anything to do with them, if you could help it in real life.

I suspect that they are very unhappy people, who can't bear seeing others being pleasant or happy. They are so well balanced, because they have a chip on both shoulders, often looking for a slight, where none was intended.
Best way to deal with them, ignore them.

If you use social media, you would be very naïve to think that everyone is going to be your pal and posters will find your posts rivetting.
It can be very upsetting when someone takes agin you and you can't fathom out why!.☹️
I know this because I have experienced it.

maddyone Wed 13-May-20 00:04:15

When people ask for evidence I always feel as if it’s a law court. It’s not, it’s about opinions.

Eloethan Wed 13-May-20 00:06:35

Maybe I haven't been looking at the same threads, but I haven't noticed that much nastiness. Which threads are being referred to?

May7 Wed 13-May-20 00:17:30

So if it's about opinions (and I actually agree it is) why does it matter what people say ....it's their opinion. Take it or leave it surely. Move onto another thread there are really plenty to chose from. Step over people who are offensive or just dont take offence it's your choice

BradfordLass73 Wed 13-May-20 01:27:38

I've been roundly criticised, on thread and on PM.
It doesn't bother me one jot and I suspect once the 'flamers' knew that, they left me alone grin
Call out the bullies and they'll find other victims....and they do.

Having said that, during Lockdown, people have been a little more irritated, understandably but that's to be expected.

You can certainly voice annoyance, even outright disagreement with a point without it becoming personal.
Those who make it personal, clearly haven't been able to work out the difference.

Shelmiss Wed 13-May-20 06:39:45

Yes Chewbacca I’ve just seen the thread I think you’re referring to. That’s a typical example of what happens on here. Happened to me when I first started to post and the tone was so nasty, and the demand for evidence to back up a comment I’d made was so rude, that I rarely post in case they come at me again.

Furret Wed 13-May-20 06:52:39

Wow! Calling someone a ‘newbie’ - that’s rather revealing in the context it was used.

ladymuck Wed 13-May-20 06:59:58

Discussions on here can get rather one-sided. There are certain topics which are dominated by the same group of people who don't tolerate anyone having different views from their own.
Also, people form an impression of you based on your opinions. This can make them prejudiced against you and anything you say is immediately condemned.

CorneliaStreet Wed 13-May-20 07:03:52

Hmm, I agree with you at some point. There are always people who just can't stand those who have different opinion, so they call them names, accuse them of being nasty, etc, etc. It doesn't matter whether you really insulted someone or maybe it was just your opinion that is different. You will be called nasty no matter what.

Madgran77 Wed 13-May-20 07:19:28

Spot on Daddima

Grandad1943 Wed 13-May-20 07:41:00

In regards to forum members being requested to provide some evidence of what they may be claiming and stating, then I believe that is a perfectly reasonable request.

All on this forum should face the fact that some members make claims and statements that appear, and often are, quite frankly rediculas. In that situation what is wrong with asking that forum member to provide a link to what they are stating?

However, we then at times witness that forum member stating they are being "got at" just because a reasonable request was made of them for a link.

In any aspect of life, we are often asked to provide "back up" for anything we state, try to purchase or often just to prove who we really are.

Urmstongran Wed 13-May-20 08:03:37

I’m another who interacted with you a few times whywhywhy on the Good Morning thread as you seemed so low and fed up. You popped in for a few days then disappeared!

Marydoll Wed 13-May-20 08:09:17

Furret, I admit to using the term newbie, it's certainly not meant in a derogatory manner. Many posters use the term, Welcome to the newbies.
It confirms my point, that we can cause offense, without any intention of doing so, but the reader's perception is that the comment is offensive.

janeainsworth Wed 13-May-20 08:16:37

Grandad1943 I completely agree with you about requests for evidence.
It’s one thing to express an opinion about something, but quite another to state something as a fact, and imply that everyone else should accept it. By definition, a fact can be verified by evidence, and it’s not unreasonable to ask for it.
‘Comment is free, but facts are sacred.’ C.P. Scott.

Grandad1943 Wed 13-May-20 09:05:41

Urmstongran in regard to your post @08:03 today, I believe we may both agree that there are on this forum many illustrations of threads begun by a person who has not ever posted prior to making that one very controversial post.

Those treads and posts are made, I believe, with the sole intention of causing a heated argument, and in that it nearly always succeeds. The originating poster then often never revisit the thread or never revisits the forum again, or at least not under that name.

Shelmiss Wed 13-May-20 09:29:48

In regards to forum members being requested to provide some evidence of what they may be claiming and stating, then I believe that is a perfectly reasonable request

Grandad1943 what you say is completely correct. In my case however, I stated what a couple of my friends in real life had said to me. I couldn’t back that up with evidence. Basically the poster was calling me a liar.

Chewbacca Wed 13-May-20 09:51:39

Marydoll & Lemon you were the first to welcome me to GN all those years ago and yes, you're right, fings ain't wot they used to be! grin

lemongrove Wed 13-May-20 09:55:30

Chewbacca and Marydoll grin we still do a bit of sparring in The Alphabet Bar, usually with a drink in hand.

timetogo2016 Wed 13-May-20 10:04:52

Same with me Nico97.