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LaraGransnet (GNHQ) Tue 07-Jul-20 11:27:47

Hello, GNHQ here, (waving a white flag).

We need your help. As many of you have probably noticed the conversations over the past few days have been increasingly tense. The questions posed have been so interesting and worthy of debate but so often the conversations have derailed and turned into personal attacks (the veiled ones can be particularly unkind). We hate deleting threads when people have taken time and effort to contribute and it must be equally wearing for you all to wade through mean-spirited posts. We'd really like to get back to conversations that include debate/disagreement but that also show a bit of respect and consideration for other posters even if you disagree with them.
Thank you for reading. smile
GNHQ

trisher Wed 08-Jul-20 18:52:07

Not unless you actually identified that member Grandad1943 and no one on here is identified because we have user names so our personal details are not disclosed.

paddyanne Wed 08-Jul-20 18:20:30

If you know that some people on the thread are people you've had issues with in the past ,scroll past .I avoid 3 people for that reason and probably a couple more who I'll avoid in future.

Grandad1943 Wed 08-Jul-20 18:11:18

trisher, in regard to your post @17:05 today, the notification that a forum member has been banned or had their membership suspended is a personal notification between GNHQ and the forum member involved.

Therefore to release that data publicly without the consent of the member involved would be a breach of the Data Protection Act.

Millie22 Wed 08-Jul-20 18:06:28

I am reading this thread and thinking it's just so strange and yes disbelief also.

Elegran Wed 08-Jul-20 17:32:08

Firstly - I agree with the original post (posted many lightyears pages ago!!) that people should try very hard to avoid personal attacks in their posts. Debate about facts or opinions is great, attacks at a personal level are not. Grownups like us should be able to tell the difference.

Second - I have come late to the thread so I didn't read the posts by Ggump, but they seem to have been virulent and repeated. Neither have I read whatever disagreement/spat the posters involved had previously been indulging in, and I don't want to know

Lastly, I thought that it has always been a point of etiquette on Gransnet NOT to carry a grudge onto a new thread. A new conversation should read as though it is newly minted, not a continuation of a previous set-to. If a poster is still smarting from one encounter, they should avoid replying to their opponent in another situation and drawing bystanders into the melee who are not even aware of old enmities. That isn't fair to the bystanders!

Starblaze Wed 08-Jul-20 17:18:13

I've seen a few very lovely people leave which is such a shame really. Most of them had been through some horrific abuse in their lifetimes as well which made it even more tough to see them go. You have to have a thick skin in some areas of gransnet that's for sure.

eazybee Wed 08-Jul-20 17:13:39

I am reading this thread with increasing disbelief.

trisher Wed 08-Jul-20 17:05:12

I can't see any indication that announcing someone is banned for a set period in any way discloses any collected or stored data or breeches the Data Protection Act. The suspension is adequate and relevant as there has been a breech of GN regulations and the action is more limited than a full suspension. So the only possible breech would be in the announcement which discloses no more information than that already known to posters ie. the miscreants chosen name.

LaraGransnet (GNHQ) Wed 08-Jul-20 17:01:26

Hello, we've been watching this thread that was intended as a plea for us all to be a bit kinder to each other, with sadness. Whitewavemark2 - in response to your earlier post, we are being as transparent as possible. We're sure you understand that we can't discuss any particular user's specific circumstances but other than that you are getting our 'side of things'.

As we said in the beginning of this thread, we hate deleting posts, and particularly entire threads, but will do so if necessary. You will always see a number of posts and efforts on our part to try and get the threads back on track before we take any such action.

Thank you seacliff for your suggestion (and smileless). Just to clarify there are plenty of discussions before anyone is suspended from Gransnet (aside from obvious spammers of course).

To those who suggest we simply delete the offending posts, that is our first course of action, but in extreme cases, the conversation becomes impossible to follow because of all the deletions and if the personal attacks simply continue then the thread does become more about personal point scoring and less about talking about the issue. We do it as little as possible though and were hoping with your help we would have to do it even less.

For those who have suggested that we allow people to fight their own battles, for some that may be possible, but for others who may be feeling vulnerable, or bullied it may not be as easy. None of us have any idea what the people behind the keyboard may be feeling or what they may be going through. This is a general observation by the way, not referring to any posters on this thread. We want people to feel welcome, to voice their opinion, and to join in. If a user feels they are constantly badgered by another poster, or a group, they will leave, and not be able to experience all that Gransnet has to offer.
Thank you for all your contributions to this so far. Hopefully we can make this a more welcoming site for everyone. smilebrew

sodapop Wed 08-Jul-20 16:58:15

This is all becoming tiresome now. For goodness sake we are all adults on here not wimpy kids.
Think whoever mentioned Stepford Wives was right, that's what we are being turned into.
apologies to any goats who may be reading this

Grandad1943 Wed 08-Jul-20 16:55:22

seacliff Quote [ If they persist, remove them for a week or two, and announce it on the thread. Why can't you do that?] End Quote?

seacliff, I feel that releasing the information as you request would be a breach of the Data Protection Act.

It would in all probability infringe the section that states " collected and stored data is only to be used in a way that is adequate, relevant and limited to only what is necessary".

Smileless2012 Wed 08-Jul-20 16:50:53

Perhaps GNHQ could consider seacliff's suggestion LaraGN.

Callistemon Wed 08-Jul-20 16:50:09

GrannyGravy13

WhitewaveMk2 I have just gone back to when GGumpteenth had her first post deleted there were no contentious posts ahead of her deleted one.

I didn't see the deleted posts by GGUmpteenth but have just checked and no, there did not seem to be anything contentious going on or anything at all to warrant an attack on another poster.

Galaxy Wed 08-Jul-20 16:46:26

Well no they ask that you report it to them so they can look at it. They dont want you troll hunting on a thread they want you to report.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 08-Jul-20 16:43:58

So do they allow these nonsense posts to stand? Sounds ass about face to me!

Galaxy Wed 08-Jul-20 16:41:39

Well yes but the problem is if I really was having an affair with my husbands brother and people were saying what a load of nonsense it might put off posters who are genuine. No one can actually know that I am not having an affair with him. I think that's why sites like GN dont allow troll hunting, but I may be wrong. Troll hunting is more of a problem on MN I think as they get lots of posts which are obviously nonsense.

Glorybee Wed 08-Jul-20 16:41:09

I agree with your assessment of what happened AGAA4 - ‘There seemed to me to be an attack on what I thought was a fairly innocuous post by Lemongrove. I found it surprising on a post that was about not making personal attacks!

How it started wasn’t anything more sinister or petty than that, not sure I caught all the stuff that maybe followed on from it. Someone suggested something like comments should stand, with a highlighted ‘reprimand’ from GNHQ if necessary. This deleting of comments is unhelpful and leads to confusion and supposition. Deleting threads is also very unhelpful!

GrannyGravy13 Wed 08-Jul-20 16:36:34

Just be pleasant and respectful to other posters, so what if they have differing views it doesn't mean they are a bad person and shouldn't be a reason to attack/hurl personal insults towards them.

Discuss the topics not the posters

Whitewavemark2 Wed 08-Jul-20 16:33:23

That was to galaxy?

Whitewavemark2 Wed 08-Jul-20 16:32:48

Isn’t that just opinion?

lemongrove Wed 08-Jul-20 16:31:36

That’s fine Peardrop no worries? and I did think that may be the case.
Perhaps, in a strange kind of way though, this thread has highlighted the fact of the OP.... be a bit more pleasant to one another.

Galaxy Wed 08-Jul-20 16:30:53

Troll hunting is when you imply a poster is a troll. Someone who is posting info just for a reaction. So if I posted that I was having a relationship with my husbands brother and was pregnant and could people advise, I would be a troll. If someone in response said that seems an unlikely story they would be troll hunting.

trisher Wed 08-Jul-20 16:29:05

Peardrop50

Reinstate GGumpteenth please

add your name if you agree, thanks

I agree. Can't understand why this is such an issue.

AGAA4 Wed 08-Jul-20 16:27:28

This thread did deteriorate quite quickly. There seemed to me to be an attack on what I thought was a fairly innocuous post by Lemongrove.

I found it surprising on a post that was about not making personal attacks!

Lucca Wed 08-Jul-20 16:24:56

Please tell me what troll hunting means somebody as this is the reason given For one of the deleted posts.
So annoying the school fines thread being deleted as it is very topical and had interesting information from those in the know as well as arguments from both sides