Please GNHQ ... would you consider letting *EllanVannin* come back to this site?

Well put BlueBelle, that’s my opinion too.

But Gagajo you won’t change any outdated beliefs by hiding the post and sending the poster into space perhaps if the outdated ideals were challenged kindly and intelligently that poster might see the whole situation differently
As I ve said before I didn’t see any of the ‘offensive‘ posts but by banishing someone, no one gains They don’t get the opportunity to see another side to their opinion and everyone else is left hanging not knowing if they are right/wrong, punished /hard done by, happy/sad or even alive
It’s a lose/lose situation and needs an overhaul as soon as possible

There are basic standards (I assume), such as:

No racism
No sexism
No homophobia

Probably no swearing, although I've seen it.

It's common sense. This is a public forum. I guess the issue is that we are an older cohort, so there are some who hold out dated beliefs.

Josianne I have sent you a PM.

I don’t agree that to carry on chatting aimlessly is rude nor is it used to derail. I personally have done so on this thread to try to keep it calm so that it wasn’t deleted if it became heated
as several others do, myself included, to diffuse heated situations. Though I do believe there are those who enjoy confrontations.
I think it was once pointed out to me that my old GN name had been confused with EllanVannin. I couldn't see any real resemblance, but just to say I changed it a while back.

The definition of clique is an exclusive group who deliberately exclude others. A bit difficult to do on an open forum.
I agree some posters seem to ‘know’ some more than others. I agree with previous posters who say that this comes from finding common ground over time.
I recognise names and feel an affinity with some, by the same token I get a feel for those I probably wouldn’t hit it off with. Doesn’t matter, I’m happy to interact with all and hope others do so with me.
I don’t agree that to carry on chatting aimlessly is rude nor is it used to derail. I personally have done so on this thread to try to keep it calm so that it wasn’t deleted if it became heated and also to keep bumping it so that EV is not forgotten.
I would also agree with sentiments expressed so well by BlueBelle that we are adults with a wealth of experience, most of us have dealt with many difficult situations and coped well. We are not children snd any offensive views can be challenged. Anyone constantly expressing such views would be challenged and hopefully influenced for the better. If not they would soon be ignored by others and eventually disappear.
Personal insults are in poor taste but again can be challenged by others.
I personally feel that posts should stand so that we can judge for ourselves who or what offends us.
Sorry for such a long post but would just like to add that I am happy to join any movement to reinstate any poster who has been banned as a matter of principle.

There are most definitely cliques, one of which was responsible for bans last year, when they ganged up on a poster who offended them. Some rush into support certain posters who make an enormous fuss if anyone upsets them, others attempt to derail threads they disapprove of.
Again, I wonder if this happens on threads I avoid (although I am learning some of the board politics after what is now a couple of years of posting [slowontheuptake] ). In fairness though, threads like this one are in support of 'certain posters', and everyone seems to approve, so it's all relative. Derailing by chatting about nothing when the chatters have had their say is rude (if that's what you mean), but can be ignored easily enough if people don't want to be prevented from having their say.

That generic “you have broken guidelines” tells us NOTHING it’s flimsy and open to interpretant what offends you, may not offend me etc etc if it’s very bad, call the poster out by saying what is bad. Even a child never learns from punishment unless they and the rest of the class know what they are being punished for.
This is the crux of the matter for me. I do understand that sometimes things happen that are personal and could arguably be made worse if made public, or that if a rule is 'Don't Mention The War!' it is going to be difficult to explain how someone has broken it without mentioning the war; but some idea of how rules have been broken would be useful for everyone.

Why not have a list of rules that we all have to sign up to when we join? I know they can't be all-encompassing, but they would be a lot more useful if they were more specific than 'in the spirit of Gransnet' .

Also, a feeling that someone can just be 'disappeared' is unpleasant. We often hear that people are on final warnings, but they never say why. Is that because they have been told not to refer to the warning, or out of embarrassment? Who knows.

FWIW, like sodapop I can guess at why EV was banned - some of her views were old-fashioned and clumsily expressed. But as I remember it, they didn't go unchallenged. Surely seeing a public challenge to a view is more useful (all round) than a private banning?

I too add my voice to have EllanVannin re-instated. Thank you.

I think as someone said earlier EllanVannin has views which are not necessarily considered correct any more. Not everyone understood that life was very different when we were young and made no allowances. For some people on GN things are very black and white, no grey areas allowed. I think the lifetime ban is draconian unless there are things I don't know.

I only ever came across EV on the GM thread but enjoyed reading her posts. I can’t imagine what she could have said or done that resulted in such a draconian response, but I would like to add my voice to the plea to let her come back. C’mon GNHQ; have a heart!

Daisy I think they have ways and means
I didn’t get that mass email even though I reported my own post oops

Why doesn't she just re-register with a new name and email?

Oopsadaisy1

The reply I received, others must also have had this as it refers to a mass email

?and legs ?

I don’t have an idea of what has happened when EllanV was given the harshest of punishments,
but adding my voice to the army of grans who are pleading with GNHQ ………. “Please re-instate her membership”.

The reply I received, others must also have had this as it refers to a mass email

I got a thanks for reporting but no “we will think about it message” !!!

I am simply shouting for the ridiculous ‘life time’ ban to be removed they have been rescinded for others so why not for this lady I don’t know anything about anything she said, but according to most posts on here, which I have read everyone seems puzzled by what ‘crime’ she has committed

Treat us as adults GN not naughty children I m sure EV hasn’t killed, maimed or derailed anyone she might at worst have offended someone so what! aren’t we big enough and old enough to handle our own affairs, if you really feel the need to intervene do it publicly so we all know what’s acceptable in your eyes and what’s not
That generic “you have broken guidelines” tells us NOTHING it’s flimsy and open to interpretant what offends you, may not offend me etc etc if it’s very bad, call the poster out by saying what is bad
Even a child never learns from punishment unless they and the rest of the class know what they are being punished for

There are most definitely cliques, one of which was responsible for bans last year, when they ganged up on a poster who offended them. Some rush into support certain posters who make an enormous fuss if anyone upsets them, others attempt to derail threads they disapprove of.

Are there? There has occasional been general disapproval when someone writes something that is racist or cruel, or otherwise breaks the limits of acceptability and the political threads have a group who share political views and who I would describe as boring rather than a ganging up on those that oppose them.

I don’t know this EV lady but it seems strange that someone so universally popular managed to get banned.
I’ve been banned from another website in the distant past because certain posters engineered it but to honest, it wasn’t the end of the world and I moved on. I hope this lady has done just that. Life’s too short to worry about being banned from a website.

I’m also grateful for your update Oops. ?

Thanks for the update **Oops

Thanks for your feedback Oops it’s good to know the mods are reading and considering. I do hope next week brings good news.

GN HQ replied to me saying that they would discuss their decision (about EV) in the office over the next few days.

I reported my own post to them.

Fingers crossed

Well I don’t know EV but surely a lifetime ban on gransnet is a ridiculous notion even if she did do something outrageous .....

Glad to hear that, Calistemon. She'll be ensuring old Tom is well fed and warm, and no doubt leaving open her bedroom window for her cats on this windy night.

As Ellen doesn’t drink alcohol, she’ll no doubt enjoy the grape juice

I didn't know that but there is more in the freezer ready and waiting!