To separate News from Politics

Calistemon

Josianne perhaps the threads should be divided into 'News and Politics for Dimwits' and 'News and Politics for the Intellectually Superior'.

Perhaps posters could swap occasionally if they can tolerate the brickbats.

BlueBelle ????Agree totally.

?Calistemon

Totally WRONG Vegansrock and JillyJosie
You couldn’t be more wrong I am totally anti this government the very reason I DONT want every blooming news item to end up with political undertones Tory or Labour or anything else
If I want to talk about a dog biting a child, a car crash or a tree growing to an unusually massive height I DONT. wants to be told it’s political WHATEVER BLOOMING SHADE

Josianne perhaps the threads should be divided into 'News and Politics for Dimwits' and 'News and Politics for the Intellectually Superior'.

Perhaps posters could swap occasionally if they can tolerate the brickbats.

And what about 'should Boris do the decent thing and resign?' which has been posted in Chat. Surely, there should be further alignments?
Posts about the Royal Family get very political but are they just news and if so why?
And Covid threads under Health?
AIBU often has political items posted too.
A revamp of the whole site? I'm being ironic in case I need to say it!

Allsorts

It would be nice uf they were separate, I find Politics a minefield.

To be sure.

vegansrock

It seems that most people who want to separate the two are those who don’t like to read criticisms of this government, as it’s becoming increasingly difficult to defend them.

My point, this whole discussion now becomes nitty picky political and it wasn't intended that way.

It would be nice uf they were separate, I find Politics a minefield.

lemongrove

.....as I said, posters with an axe to grind.?
Everybody expects critics on the politics pages, that’s fine, but in spite of what those who make everything political on any news say, it really just isn’t everything.

It is not 'everything' - but it is part of most things. Axes to grind are part of Party Politics, if you wish.

So where shall I put this, please:

''NHS

Almost 6 million people on waiting lists for hospital treatment in England''

does it belong in chat, in health, in News or in Politics?

Are you also saying that having to crowdfund for essential health treatment is not political? I was very happy to contribute- and totally and absolutely will support any GNetter who finds themselves in the situation where this has become a necessity- but it is very political, tragically.

vegansrock

It seems that most people who want to separate the two are those who don’t like to read criticisms of this government, as it’s becoming increasingly difficult to defend them.

That's just not true.
I'd like them split and always have done.

Are you saying, for instance, that what is happening to the NHS, is NOT political? Just as one example our of 1000s?

Yes, it is political - it is Government-funded.

Kali2

Josianne, what does this even mean ''Surely the political people get fed up with all the chatty type interjections? ''

who are the 'political people'???

The people who know far more about politics than I could ever profess to do, but who obviously get irritated by the ingenues and dimwits posting, despite that group expressing the views of half the nation or more. I said I can understand the exasperation and all the sighs!
Others do just want to talk about what flashes across the news in a far less in depth manner like supporting local retailers or the lack of rural buses without the thread becoming over political. I haven't been on GN as long as some but the the two headers seemed to me to clash straightaway. Just my opinion.

If we do get a News forum, and there's something on there that has a Political aspect, will we be allowed to mention it? For example, if the news story is that the NHS is under pressure, will we be allowed to say its because of government cuts?

Well, I'll be saying it anyway. I'm sure most will. Whether its in News, Politics, Health or Chat. Or even Gardening....

vegansrock nail on the head!

That doesn’t apply to me vegansrock. I criticise the government daily (although mostly within my own four walls, not on GN).

.....as I said, posters with an axe to grind.?
Everybody expects critics on the politics pages, that’s fine, but in spite of what those who make everything political on any news say, it really just isn’t everything.

It seems that most people who want to separate the two are those who don’t like to read criticisms of this government, as it’s becoming increasingly difficult to defend them.

No. Impossible to split the two. Would lead to endless duplication and cross posting and prob even more quarrelling.

Josianne, what does this even mean ''Surely the political people get fed up with all the chatty type interjections? ''

who are the 'political people'???

Most news events are indeed 'political' even if you'd prefer them not to be 'party' political.

Are you saying, for instance, that what is happening to the NHS, is NOT political? Just as one example our of 1000s?

Is it having an 'axe to grind' to say that what is happening to the NHS, for instance, is a disaster?

Most news events are not political but are only made so by posters with a big axe to grind.
Yes GNHQ please do separate news and politics!

Frankly, from what I've seen on GN, anyone who was daft enough to start talking about frogs' legs on a political thread about France would deserve what they got.
On the other hand, isn't that just what the Daily Mail does? And what about irony? A political tool right hands.
Almost anything that matters in the modern world is complicated by its very nature and thus political. Dolphin deaths, yes quite....the environment, climate change, Japan, the Faroes, morality, animal rights, sentience and so on. Things don't happen in isolation.

There's politics related to everything, so we all look at news from our own political viewpoint. I really can't see how you can possibly separate them.

This did make me laugh, though, as it would be today, wouldn't it?

One heading “Party Politics” and one heading “News in General”?