To separate News from Politics

lemongrove

Dickens I think the two subjects could be separated, there are so many news items that are nothing to do with politics at all, it shouldn’t be difficult.
If a poster then posted something on the news thread that is
Political there’s no need for any reporting, that would be ridiculous, but it could, reasonably be ignored.
There are plenty ( or would be) purely political threads to comment on.
The news threads would be very popular....is this what some posters don’t like?
Anyway, entirely up to HQ to decide.

Yes, I'm aware there are news items that it would be hard to politicise... "dog bites man", or Kim Kardashian has another baby, a celebrity 'wows' in a fantastic dress at an Oscar ceremony as she wins an award - entertainment news, and of course sport.

But how would you deal with the 'breaking news' that Starmer or Johnson had resigned, for example, without political comment?

There's two aspects to this though isn't there - objective political reporting versus subjective political comment, ie, Starmer (or Johnson) resigned due to lack of confidence by the party - that's purely objective reporting, and then someone might comment along the lines "good riddance, he was useless anyway (or whatever)" - which is of course subjective.

So, if I understand correctly, what you are saying is you don't mind the objective political reporting, you just don't want people giving a subjective political opinion because that's when all the hoo-ha starts?

Sounds a bit bland, if that's the case - but if it's what people want, and they appear to, then I can't see a reason not to have a separate thread... but I still think subjective political opinion will creep into it!

The last speaker. Talking about the corruption in the Tory party and Johnson’s appalling leadership, lack of integrity and lies.

Whitewavemark2

Someone said today that decent people find a stink in their nostrils which are the Tories.

Who said this and what on earth do they mean?

Someone said today that decent people find a stink in their nostrils which are the Tories.

The only time I use the thread title is when I'm creating a post. I don't see the point of seperating news and politics. If there was a thread about Boris's baby for example under "news" and someone said they thought the baby was being used to distract from his inadequacies would that be bringiing politics onto a news thread? If a thread is about something in the news there may well be a political aspect to it. Perhaps if people want to post about death or births we should have a "Hatches and Dispatches" category.

Decent Tories have the decency to now distance themselves from Boris's lies and say so openly, and in disgust. If people continue to excuse him- they become part of his amorality and lies.

winterwhite

If the Tory party dislikes being 'bashed' it should behave in a way to give little cause for bashing.

Yes, I am afraid that this is it. Quite simple really.

And now we hear Jack Doyle was actually at that Party- and Johnson has refused to accept his resignation. Plus he knew about the funding for the flat!

Oh look, a flying pig. Don't take us for fools.

I think it’s a typo Lucca.
I think Kamiso meant ‘newbie’ not NEWBORN. Quite possibly corrective text?
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Kamiso

It seems like a good idea perhaps for a six month trial period?

There is so much bullying and all round nastiness on the political threads. Even newborns come under attack, which is really sick and disgraceful!

I have asked and asked and asked ..,where is there any bitchiness nastiness or bullying of the newborn baby. That’s just made up.

Where are these posts ??

Thank you very much Lily for your feedback. I dare say ‘the proof of the pudding will be in the eating’.
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Thank you Lily

There's a lot of interest in not separating the topics too.

Heigh ho.

Thank you Lily. I'm off to post some trivial News!

No I dont like people trying to control speech.

Nobody's attacked any newborns.

If you think newborns have been attacked that maybe explains why you think people disagreeing with your politics amounts to bullying.

The news threads would be very popular.
I think the news threads might not hold much substance and would be short, but what's not to like about that? Things move on, tomorrow's fish and chip paper and all that!

It seems like a good idea perhaps for a six month trial period?

There is so much bullying and all round nastiness on the political threads. Even newborns come under attack, which is really sick and disgraceful!

winterwhite

If the Tory party dislikes being 'bashed' it should behave in a way to give little cause for bashing.

Good point!

It’s odd too how criticising mr Johnson is Boris bashing but criticising certain recent members of the RF is not “bashing “ apparently……

Dickens I think the two subjects could be separated, there are so many news items that are nothing to do with politics at all, it shouldn’t be difficult.
If a poster then posted something on the news thread that is
Political there’s no need for any reporting, that would be ridiculous, but it could, reasonably be ignored.
There are plenty ( or would be) purely political threads to comment on.
The news threads would be very popular....is this what some posters don’t like?
Anyway, entirely up to HQ to decide.

If the Tory party dislikes being 'bashed' it should behave in a way to give little cause for bashing.

Chestnut

I agree with Lemongrove that there are numerous Boris/Tory bashing threads which are most unpleasant sometimes and I have been quite shocked at the nastiness of some posters on these threads. The tone of comments calmed down a bit following the recent tragic shooting of a Tory MP because the general feeling at the time was to tone down aggressive language. But I agree many people feel it's best to stay away from these threads unless you agree with these people, because saying anything different brings them down on you. They will start spitting feathers at the mere mention of Boris, Trump or Farage, and the echo chamber just resounds with echoes and not much else.

It is very interesting to see a Johnson supporter bracket him together with Trump and Farage.

That tells us a great deal.

What do these three have in common?

Is it -

Stoking division?

Pandering to the lowest common denominator?

Relying on online support of Vladimir Putin?

lemongrove

Many more posters would come on to a news thread if it excluded politics as much as possible.

I don't think that's possible lemongrove. How much (or how little) is "as much as possible"? And there would have to be some sort of 'disclaimer' telling GNers 'not to post too much about politics' - who decides what is too much?

And if the news item is political in nature - how do you talk about it without the politics?

I suppose we could, for example, discuss the government's plans on Social Care and suggest what we think is fair / not fair, etc... but as we are such an unequal society economically, the divisions are going to be stark and government policy (whatever it turns out to be in the end) is obviously going to draw praise from some and condemnation from others... so in creep the politics again - with every poster having to cogitate about how much they might be allowed to say.

I just don't think it would work. We either have a news thread where absolutely no political comment is allowed or continue as it is.

Yes I was about to say Lucca there have been many many times I have seen leftie used as an insult.