Temporary Mumsnet logo -not at all funny!

Galaxy

It's quite complex to say something is ok as long as it doesnt offend. Who gets to decide that? All sorts of things offend me.

I agree Galaxy

I do not have the answer, it’s something I think of in the small hours when sleep evades me. I was raised to treat others as you would want to be treated along with if you can’t say anything nice don’t say anything at all^

I know I do not like cruel mockery just because

Does it depend whether people like someone?

Just look at the Harry and Meghan south park episode, I remember people found that funny

Or there are ridiculous amounts of caricatures I have seen of:

Harry and Meghan
Corbyn
Boris Johnson

I'm not bothered about caricatures (obviously) I don't think there has been a single famous person who hasn't had probably their least favourite feature emphasised by one somewhere...

But again, are people offended by all of them or only some?

If anyone has any doubt as to whether victimising someone based purely on their physical appearance is harmful, just check out any of the bullying-related or mental health sites, which are easily referenced on line. There are some very sad case histories, some with tragic outcomes. The message is quite clear and unequivocal. It is never acceptable. A message I have always made sure that my children and now my grandchildren are fully aware of. Inexcusable, indefensible, and degrading for all involved.

Indeed NanaDana and the South Park episode was laughing at H & M's behaviour, in particular their claims for privacy while simultaneously getting as much publicity as they can to make money.

What about the rest of my question?

Fleurpepper

Big ears are NOT a physical defect.

... my poor cousin with over-large and prominent ears, felt that they were.

Anyway, I was speaking in general terms rather than being specific about ears.

I'm not fond of unpleasant caricatures.

Richard Sharp, King Charles, Harry, William, Boris, Trump, Obama, Sunak, Old Granny.

I find unkind caricatures unnecessary.

Also

I don't think people have actually seen the south park episode in full or they would see what I mean because one of his physical attributes was definitely caricatured

But I guess it's funny as long as they aren't liked

VS :

'But again, are people offended by all of them or only some?'

That is indeed an excellent question.

And not 'just' about individuals, but groups of people or beliefs.

I'm guessing people draw their own lines

But when your line moves depending on who the person is... There is an issue.

Clearly demonstrable issue in a lot of human behaviour that causes a lot of cognitive dissonance people wish to avoid

I absolutely adore caricatures, from the golden age of Gilray, Rowlandson and Cruikshank onwards.
The Mumsnet thing cannot warrant the label ‘caricature’, it was just some daft stickers put over the MN logo.
It was a bit lazy and pathetic, and really not worth doing.

VioletSky

I'm guessing people draw their own lines

But when your line moves depending on who the person is... There is an issue.

Clearly demonstrable issue in a lot of human behaviour that causes a lot of cognitive dissonance people wish to avoid

But when your line moves depending on who the person is... There is an issue.

That's it, isn't it.

If mocking people's appearance is wrong in principle (which I think it is), then you can't be selective.

I am sure many who objecged to the logo with the ears, didn't mind at all when it was Corbyn, or Meghan, etc.

No caricature, but photos. I really can't stand the woman and what she stands for- but oh dear how Therese Coffey is getting a ribbing!

Exactly

Fleurpepper

I am sure many who objecged to the logo with the ears, didn't mind at all when it was Corbyn, or Meghan, etc.

No caricature, but photos. I really can't stand the woman and what she stands for- but oh dear how Therese Coffey is getting a ribbing!

I agree. Violetsky and Fleurpepper

I actually like Meghan and Corbyn and I don’t think anybody should have the p taken out of the because of a physical feature they can’t help if you want to take the p out of their ideas or spoken words thats one thing but it’s very very different when it’s a physical problem that can’t be helped.

Surely you can see the difference it’s hardly rocket science ?

H & M weren't being mocked for their appearance, they were being mocked for their behaviour. The way they were depicted left no doubt as to who the episode was about, I don't they were depicted physically in a cruel or mocking way and I did see the episode in full.

Personally I don't like caricatures. Family members have had them done of themselves and I've never liked any of them. I agree Fanny that the MN logo wasn't a caricature as only a pair of ears were depicted.

oops should have put 'I don't think......'

Oh so you saw his blue erm, privates Smileless?

Fleurpepper

I am sure many who objecged to the logo with the ears, didn't mind at all when it was Corbyn, or Meghan, etc.

No caricature, but photos. I really can't stand the woman and what she stands for- but oh dear how Therese Coffey is getting a ribbing!

Diane Abbott springs to mind. Mockery over her wearing odd shoes (even tho it was photoshopped,).

Well he did mention that in the book didn't he, if he hadn't together with the explanation I doubt it would have been included in the episode.

Diane Abbott has taken a lifetime of flack the most awful stuff pictures and words, how she kept going I’ll never know I feel very sorry for her

It's still physical appearance Smileless

But I think my question has been answered

Well not really VS I mean how many men have a blue penis? and as far as I'm concerned it was only depicted in blue because he'd written about getting frost bite so we'll have to agree to disagree. Still we're used to that aren't we.