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I Never Realised The Olympics Is This Year, Sometime.

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mae13 Mon 22-Jul-24 16:01:53

Is it significant these days?

Nowadays it's an event that gets swamped by accusations of cheating by using performance enhancing cocktails of drugs, before it even starts.

Then there's the usual crop of disqualifications and careers tarnished forever, but then there's a lot to aim for if an athlete gets the gold. Product endorsement worth millions, sponsorship and lucrative contracts galore. The temptation to do ANYTHING to shave a split second off a performance is tremendous. The days of Ancient Greece when athletes sought to excel in the pursuit of integrity and a laurel wreath have gone.

(Will we ever see the 100 metres sprint done in 1 second - there must come a point when the human body just cannot surpass its own capabilities.)

Kate1949 Wed 24-Jul-24 09:36:41

They sho

Kate1949 Wed 24-Jul-24 09:37:55

They showed the footage on Good Morning Britain. If anyone wants to see it you can probably find it online.

MissInterpreted Wed 24-Jul-24 09:38:03

It's good to read calm, reasoned comments on this from fellow posters who know about horses and dressage. It is not cruel in itself, nor is the proper and correct use of a lunging whip - which should not come into contact with the horse itself.
The clip is now widely available on many news and newspaper websites for anyone who wants to view it for themselves. I don't think anyone is trying to justify whipping a horse - as I've repeatedly stated on here, I would never condone any kind of cruelty to horses, but kneejerk reactions don't do anyone any favours.

MissAdventure Wed 24-Jul-24 09:39:54

They've certainly done Dujardin none.
She has been suspended for six months, and rightly so.

Kate1949 Wed 24-Jul-24 09:43:43

She whacks that horse hard. The poor creature had no escape. It has been said that it's not an isolated incident.

biglouis Wed 24-Jul-24 09:44:38

@foxie48

Thank you for your detailed description of dressage and training for those of us who are not so familiar with horses.

Urmstongran Wed 24-Jul-24 09:47:15

Apparently she hits the horse’s legs 24 times in that clip. 😱

MissAdventure Wed 24-Jul-24 09:53:55

It was an accident though...
Merely an error of judgement. angry

Kate1949 Wed 24-Jul-24 10:06:45

These days everyone has to be a winner no matter who or what gets hurt/walked over to get them there. There are the allegations re Strictly as well. I'm not sure what has happened to people.

MaizieD Wed 24-Jul-24 10:12:22

MissAdventure

They've certainly done Dujardin none.
She has been suspended for six months, and rightly so.

As I understand it she has been suspended while the incident is being investigated. The FEI will report their findings.

In the meantime the suspension isn't evidence of guilt.

RosiesMaw2 Wed 24-Jul-24 10:15:08

Tried to watch the video- prepared to give Dujardin the benefit of the doubt - but couldn’t . Am I getting soft in my old age? But horses are intelligent as well as noble creatures and this actually sickened me.

Syracute Wed 24-Jul-24 10:15:48

The video clearly shows guilt and the accuser said there were other instances.

MissAdventure Wed 24-Jul-24 10:16:01

No, it isn't evidence of guilt.
I wonder then, what she herself was referring to which was an error of judgement?
I expect all will be revealed in due course.

GrannyGravy13 Wed 24-Jul-24 10:17:03

I am not defending Charlotte DuJardin, and will wait for the decision of the enquiry by the FIE.

But, there is a huge difference between whipping a horse with the intention of causing pain and fear, to flicking it on its legs with the end of a lunging whip in training.

RosiesMaw2 Wed 24-Jul-24 10:17:23

Just out of interest I understand that many dressage moves were originally designed to make a horse more manoeuvrable on the battle field thus keeping both horse and cavalryman safe.

Kate1949 Wed 24-Jul-24 10:19:23

Whips shouldn't be used on animals at all.

GrannyGravy13 Wed 24-Jul-24 10:20:15

RosiesMaw2

Just out of interest I understand that many dressage moves were originally designed to make a horse more manoeuvrable on the battle field thus keeping both horse and cavalryman safe.

You are totally correct.

Some horses take to dressage like a duck to water, others it’s just not for them, and no amount of training will transform them into dressage superstars

GrannyGravy13 Wed 24-Jul-24 10:22:34

I have been caught by the end of a lunging whip whilst teaching my daughter how to free lunge a young horse.

I can honestly say that it hurt more when DH flicked me playfully with the end of a tea towel.

MaizieD Wed 24-Jul-24 10:23:03

RosiesMaw2

Just out of interest I understand that many dressage moves were originally designed to make a horse more manoeuvrable on the battle field thus keeping both horse and cavalryman safe.

You're correct. All the early treatises on horse training (right back to the ancient Greeks) are focussed on training the horse for use in battle.

But please add that the moves are based on a horse's natural movements. A horse can't perform a movement that is physically impossible for it.

MissAdventure Wed 24-Jul-24 10:26:59

youtu.be/3Y8_ROb0ZUk?si=XaNdQaat47C-IfqX

MissAdventure Wed 24-Jul-24 10:28:02

THE ABOVE COMES WITH A WARNING AS IT MAY DISTRESS VIEWERS.

GrannyGravy13 Wed 24-Jul-24 10:31:58

MissAdventure if I witnessed that I would have intervened immediately, CJ used the lunging whip excessively and incorrectly.

The rider, the observers and whoever filmed this are complicit in the horse’s distress.

MissAdventure Wed 24-Jul-24 10:34:20

Yes they are complicit.
It's vile to see someone doing that to an animal.

nightowl Wed 24-Jul-24 10:44:49

I’m really shocked by that video, she isn’t using that lunging whip as it should be used, she’s using it to make contact and cause pain. I really thought she was better than this. I wonder what Carl Hester’s view is? I don’t suppose he can comment while an investigation is going on.

nightowl Wed 24-Jul-24 10:46:43

And equally shocking, someone is laughing while this is being filmed, so obviously they see it as acceptable as well.