That burkini!

Galen, I thought I had edited honeypot for vagina - somehow didn't work.

Wearing g-strings is very well known in medical circles for causing thrush, but also all sorts of nasty infections as the thin string works as a wick from the anus to the vagina- especially when cycling (at the gym or outdoors- or long car,train, plane journeys). Find it very bizarre that as a medic you are not fully aware of this- perhaps not been in practice for a very long time. Very much taught as part of modern urology and general practice.

What deems, or not, as a hygiene health risk, or not- is very much cultural- and that was my point. Someone mentioned it could be a health risk, and I pointed out why it isn't - and how comparatively other things we think as 'normal' are indeed much greater and proven risks. Ask anyone who works in a pool, private or otherwise. Increasing chemicals to neutralise risk is possible, but causes great inconvenience, especially to some (young children the elderly, those with breathing problems/asthma, dermatological problems and burning eyes- as well as huge extra cost) so anything that can be done to reduce chemicals is a good thing.

Happy Easter all

Before I go, the location of the pool meant we had many young boys, men, families who would cycle in 'Hawaii' style shorts, and use the same to swim, dry out and cycle home again. BTW you really should shower well AFTER using the pool as well, as the chemicals will stay on the skin and cause all sorts of problems, again, for some more than others. I dread to think what the of those boys/men were like when they got home after a 3 mile cycle with all those chemicals rubbing.
Hey ho.

Back to the burkini- a slippery slope? why oh why?

Well, that's Iceland crossed off my list as a potential holiday destination.

I'm intrigued by all these hygiene issues too. Where did it all begin? I was under the misguided impression that pools had chlorine in them for a reason. It wouldn't occur to me to even think about leaking ani. My friend confessed to having a sneaky pee in the Health Club pool the other day-I was a,bit at that but so what, really? It's only pee (and isn't it supposed to be antiseptic?).

I've heard about thongs, though, being a carrier of bacteria (I suppose that stands to reason, really), but never as a health hazard. A bit icky? Maybe.

I never showered as a child, either. No-one did. I don't think anyone had a shower. We were lucky to have an inside lav in my neck of the woods.

And pretty much anyone who went in the sea was subject to the presence of floating "articles". We survived!

I like the idea of swimming covered up. I've gone into the sea fully clothed, as has dd, on many an occasion.

It doesn't seem to be de rigeur yet, though, in pools. Perhaps we should start a campaign.

granjura unlike I suspect you. I do keep up to date with modern medicine! I have to as its a requirement of my judicial appointment.
The ideas you are talking about are definitely very old fashioned, dating back to about the 1950s if not before. So long as people wash/ shower regularly there would be no harmful bacteria to 'wick'
You also seem to imply that sweat carries bacteria? Nonsense.
I'm not contributing any longer to this outdated theory of yours.
I wish you happy Easter and a speedy ( and successful) outcome to your surgery.

Thank you for your good wishes, very much appreciated.

The many links found on the internet are very much up do date- did women really wear thongs in the 50s??? I certainly don't think so.

I have of course no medical training whatsowever- but did extensive research as part of my rôle in charge of leisure services for a complex with a pool- and at all the conferences and training sessions, the message was loud and clear- as well as the one that somehow, for many reasons, some nationalities/groups are much better at accepting proper showering as normal and automatic, and others not and that this official.

Jump to History - A descendant of the loincloth and thong is the jockstrap, [citation needed] created by Chicago sporting goods company Sharp & Smith in 1874. The first historical reference to the thong since then is in 1939 when New York City Mayor Fiorello LaGuardia ordered nude dancers to dress more appropriately.
‎Nomenclature - ‎History - ‎Modern thong - ‎Design and variety

^I have of course no medical training whatsowever- but did extensive research as part of my rôle in charge of leisure services for a complex with a pool.
A "voluntary role " you say, so not in any professional capacity.

Nothing more to be said except an apology to Galen for impugning her professional competence which was entirely out of order.

Brits do tend to bath more than shower in my experience whereas for years the washing facilities in hotels in European countries were mainly showers - I always bathed as a child and actually hated showering whenever I needed to do it - the force of the water hitting me took my breath away and I did not like it at all. I got over all this once we installed one at home and now prefer to shower - mainly as it us quicker than waiting for the bath to fill and easier to get out of! DD still baths most days - likes to relax and read while there - and showers before she goes to work.

gettingonabit - I agree showers as a child completely unknown and I went swimming all the time, possibly a bath once a week, that's the way it was for many of us. As an adult I can't imagine starting the day without a shower now, I hardly ever use the bath.

Indeed a 'second cup of tea' thread Merlot - just have to be careful not to inhale the as I'm beyond LOLing at certain posts

I'm way beyond the second cup of tea, Anya

I'm on my fourth

Happy Easter

has anyone else seen the all in one coverup suits for children which filter out the harmful rays of the sun and negate the need for copious amounts of sun cream? They look a bit like a burkini but no head covering
Welshwife, yes I have been buying them for a long time for the DGD (TK Maxx had them) after I saw DGS wearing them in Australia. You can buy them with hats over there which have a big flap to cover the back of the neck. Brilliant! Separate tops and bottoms are good because they are long enough not to come apart and leave a gap, but if they have a growth spurt ensure that they last for the whole summer.

My darling daughter insists the dgds wear them all the time ( in summer) I worry about vitamin D

The ones my DGC wear have short sleeves and the bottoms are short, they don't cover all over. They usually wear them on the beach.
Did I mention the child with rickets in N Queensland - had never had any sun on his skin because his mother was terrified of him getting burnt and skin cancer?

Sounds like my dd. She's terrified of ca skin

If I dare revisit the original topic, I see the French government are castigating the likes of Marksies for the garment.
"French woman's minister: M&S 'burkini' is 'irresponsible' | UK | News | Daily Express"
www.express.co.uk › News › UK

Ah, but France would do, as it has banned even headscarves in all schools there.

Either this burkini garment will be a commercial success or it won't ( in which case it would then vanish.)I don't see any problem with women wearing it if they want to.

Whether or not M&S's version sells is irrelevant its the fact that some women aren't allowed to swim other than covered up like this the issue. France is making a stand on the creeping normalisation of this sort of thing. M&S is just wanting to cash in on it and I deplore them for it.

if they want to
I think that is the nub of it

Genuine question: is it better that Muslim women may find it easier to join in activities (sport/swimming etc) and therefore integrate more with easier access to clothing that supports the cultural norms of their families or is it better that they stay away from pools etc. because they may feel unconfortable in swimsuit/male relatives will not allow such a level of undress in front of men.

I know and support wholeheartedly that ideally it would be best if all women had genuine choice about what they wore/where they went but could this 'burkini' be a step in the right direction?

I do have issues with either the burka or niqab from a security point of view. I would not be allowed to enter a bank in a crash helmet or be very welcome in many shops, should be the same for everyone regardless of religion etc.

Jane10 agreed in all respects.

pompa quite!

They wear them and intergrate

Penstemmon Genuine question: is it better that Muslim women may find it easier to join in activities (sport/swimming etc) and therefore integrate more with easier access to clothing that supports the cultural norms of their families or is it better that they stay away from pools etc. because they may feel unconfortable in swimsuit/male relatives will not allow such a level of undress in front of men.

I would answer yes to your question, but it made me think of learning to swim in the 1950's.
At Stockport Swimming Baths there were three pools - the Ladies' Plunge, the Men's Plunge and the 'Duckpond', a shallow pool where children learned to swim.
It made me think that it's not so long ago that we in Britain Privided facilities for segregated bathing, so perhaps we should be more tolerant of other people's standards and beliefs.