That burkini!

Well, I've never seen it.

Perhaps I only go to nice places

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I never said your OP had racist overtones- and it was NOT me who raised the hygiene issue. You, again, choose to distort what I write.

So will you flounce this time again and say you are definitely leaving- as per usual? Or change name again for the humpteenth time? I never attack you, but I will respond if you do. Forum guidelines? well yes- but calling me a liar in very veiled terms is hardly fair, is it? Just stop reacting to every one of my comments with silly faces and OMG type posts- why do you insist on doing it, again and again.

Jalima of course not you (unless you recently changed names like so many do, again and again, against Forum rules- it would be so easy for me to do so- but I would find it dishonest, truly). I never said anyone was dirty- but that some groups, for some reasons (one being lack of school education on the matter, but not sure about why some groups, and others not- puzzling) automaticall shower as per normal, and others are very reluctant to do so. That is NOT racist, nor is it calling them dirty. Over and out. Life is just too short, truly.

I didn't mention dirty
You said the poolside habits of the British were disgusting and unhygienic

^ Life is just too short, truly^
How true

I give up.

Well, all I know is that we never had to shower before being allowed into the public swimming baths in my youth - although you did have to go through the foot bath!

Granjura has made a big thing about hygiene, although only one poster mentioned that the burkini might possibly pose a problem in that respect. To get all uppity and defensive is uneasonable IMO but I doubt whether that will bother her one bit!

I remember the revolting verucca bath we had to walk through.
Probably where I caught my verucca!

Reading all the posts makes me realise why I hate going into swimming pools on holiday ( or the sea) I shall continue to be fully clad at all times and stay on dry land.
I can't see anything wrong with this burkini thing,if Muslim women want to wear it that's up to them.

It is a very slippery slope. I am with Jane10.

Oh as granjura says, life is just too short, so enough of this nonsense.

However, to say "I never attack you"" after the two words used "n-***y and bi**er" makes me question this interpretation of "attack"
Nobody called anybody a liar, even in veiled terms, nobody is flouncing anywhere (but welcome back anyway!)
Let's agree to differ.
And I hope nobody else misinterprets my use GN emoticons as and when they are available

If you use an outside swimming pool when on holiday isn't it important not to wash sun cream off as you might burn...apologies if not relevant but can't read the whole thread easily.…..

I can't get worked up about this

Roses you said that if Muslim women want to wear the Burkini that is up to them. That is what worries me, I don't think they have much choice.

I found from the discussions I had with my female Asian students they had little choice in many things we take for granted. I realised why they had such strong bonds with their female siblings and friends, it was because they needed a support network to cope with life.

I am just watching a TV programme on the Brontë sisters, and what you say Nankate makes me think of the life a Victorian girls of a certain class.

Why is a swimsuit that covers arms/legs a slippery slope?? I have often seen far more flesh exposed than I think is ever appropriate or even necessary in local pools /on beach. I think that there is a blurred line between "choice" and control for Western women. I do believe that women should be free to make choices about dress and appearance and do not agree that men or "relgion" should dictate to women. However women are regularly bombarded by expectations about body & appearance and I am always undecided how "free"our choices actually are. Judgments are made all the time based on appearance. I suppose one could argue that if we all wore a trad.nuns outfit we might be trated more equally and not pigeon holed: as chav/ rich / tottie/ frump/ desirable etc etc etc.

Only just looked at this thread!
Granjura men leaking anal fluids?
No unless they have a continence problem. The anal shin get is normally strong enough to contain fluids!
What a load of s**t!

Shin get? Try sphincter

If you use an outside swimming pool when on holiday isn't it important not to wash sun cream off as you might burn.
Now you mention it Tegan, of course, yes, that is a good point! Go under the shower (if there is one) then back to the sunbed for a fresh application of suncream then into the pool.

Especially on the shoulders and back of the neck (as t-shirts are banned).

Galen

I think Penstemmon makes an excellent point. Western women have freedom to choose what to wear free from cultural constraints BUT are not free from the constant critique of men (and other women). As a woman wearing Western dress, you are the subject of derision, judgement, comment and sometimes even abuse from the moment you leave your house in the morning to the moment you re-enter it in the evening. Yes, you can choose the face you present to the world, but that freedom comes at a price.

I feel increasingly uncomfortable about having to display my less-than-perfect body in public, in the name of "freedom", in order to simply go for a swim at my local pool or club. I know 'll be ogled, critiqued and probably dismissed by the men there. And, yes, I'd like to let it all hang out and simply not care, but I DO care.

I sometimes wonder how free we are, really.

I feel the absolute opposite getting

Don't give a toss what people think. I am clean, respectable and try to wear stuff I feel happy in. Don't like it? Then whoever is judging must get over it. Their problem not mine. But what I wear is entirely up to me and no-one else.

Great posts Getinonthehabit and Penstemmon. Western girls and women in general are put under constant pressure to conform and perform.

Galen, I am surprised you didn't understand my post about infections carried from the anus via clothing, especially after cycling or sitting in the car, etc. If the same clothing is worn to go into the pool (as in long shorts) then it is a definite risk. But I wasn't talking about men- and especially not about incontinent ones. Nurse just come in - so off for now.

As a man (yes I am, just checking) I would not dare criticise a woman (or man) for what she chooses to wear.

You should wear what floats your boat, whether it be comfort, fashion, uniform, drab, bright, demure or sexy. (a pair of sexy jeans would be good, but that's an opinion, not a criticism)

I like to wear bright colours, went out in my best tee shirt yesterday, black with hints of blue (bedroom) white (ceiling) and colours from most painting jobs over the last couple of years. Is "look at the state of your shirt" a criticism ?

As far as my wife goes, IF she asks I will give an honest (mainly) opinion, but never critique.

I have decided to enter this very contentious thread only to agree with someone upthread, think it was Ana who said that showering in her youth was unknown, it certainly was in mine. When did it start?
I haven't been in a public pool for many a year,but have taken GC to lessons quite recently, no one showered first.
And does one shower in a swimsuit or not?
If not does one then parade naked back to the changing cubicle to put suit on? The thought of acres of unclothed bodies is putting me off my breakfast.
When we had swimming lessons at school, we had to walk a mile and a half to outside, cold " baths" change out of uniform in wooden cubicles which stank and then get in freezing water. Not a shower in sight.
Is this all a newish concept or am I very behind the times?

As a woman wearing Western dress, you are the subject of derision, judgement, comment and sometimes even abuse from the moment you leave your house in the morning to the moment you re-enter it in the evening.

What the .....? I sometimes feel I live in another world. One in which I can't remember being the subject of derision, judgement, comment or abuse since I wore that poncho and those clogs to the local back in the 70s. And tbh I deserved it.

Washed, clean bedding, bandages changed...

So have you not heard (Galen in particular) of the advice not to wear G-string pants for long car or plane journeys, or for cycling indoors or outdoors:

the small string on a thong allows the anus and honeypot to be connected with each other. The thongs as a link will carry bacteria from the rectum straight to the honeypot. Bacteria such as group B streptococcal disease and Escherichia Coli (intestinal infections usually found in humans or animals) can be passed into both the anus and vagina?