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How Many Years of Beauty do I Have Left?

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MissRedd Sat 28-Jun-25 12:33:11

Hello to all,

I hope you are having a really lovely weekend. I've had this photo and beautiful prose for awhile. I love to read it and think about it when I am feeling a bit down.

How do you feel about ageing? How has the process been for you, as a woman specifically.

Statistics show us women experience ageing and ageism differently then men. It doesn't mean that men don't struggle or are not affected, because they are, and I want that to be clear. However, that is not what this conversation is about.

As a woman in this world, how do you feel about ageing. If you can be honest, if you have come to that part of your life, the part of self-reflection, where you have a good idea of where you stand.

I'll start the conversation. For anyone who would like to join, you are very welcome.

I'll be 60 in less than 2 months. I grew up in California, though I have been in the UK for 16 years as a Dual Citizen now. The UK is my home.

However, I must admit, where I was raised, in Southern California, near Malibu and Hollywood, there was much to do about looks, and of course, there certainly still is, especially for women and their "worth".

I remember my mother going on and on about how important it would be to take care of myself and that I would want to look my best, to be sure I could find someone to "take care of me". At the very same time, she was very adamant about women having their own careers.

I suppose our mum's are human and my mum was very torn, as you can see. She knew that she wanted her "girls" to be career-women, so we could take care of ourselves, yet she still had that solid line that we would ultimately need a man to take care of us.

Where I grew up, and the years which would follow, it was very clear that if you were considered "attractive", you were treated differently. Better, to be fair. And so it went.

The one thing I didn't bargain for, was ageing. Why? Because I was never taught about it. Were any of you? In your school system here in the UK, was ageing and the menopause ever spoken of in detail?

It wasn't in the US, that's for sure. And most certainly not in Southern California.

As I got older, I ended up in Northern California during the "Dot Com" boom. I was very lucky that way. Though I had not gone to school for tech, I came into a company as the secretary/admin. I answered phones and let people into the building.

Over the year I was in that role, I decided I was going to see if I could learn a little "tech" with the help of friends I made who worked there. And sure enough, I did. And within a year I was hired.

From there, the sky was the limit, It really was. I ultimately became a manager at Hewlett Packard and when I moved to the UK, they actually got hold of me and asked me to come back, which meant working from home! So I did.

Let's say, over time, I made a decision it was time to spend more time with family and the world. I had worked so very hard and so many hours from a very young age. I raised my son with a laptop in my hands most of the time, sadly. But needs must.

When I changed roles and because a Funeral Arranger and End of Life Support person, I was looking forward to doing my "heart work". However, this work is Freelance type work and it was hit and miss. Over time, I realised the income was not as I had hoped, and started to try to get back into tech.

Let me put it very briefly, with decades upon decades of experience, awards, accolades and certifications, I could not get a job, not even as a customer care admin for 10 pound and hour. My CVs were turned down again and again. I still have the file, there are hundreds.

I tried everything. And it was honestly so very strange, as in the past, I never knew what it was like not to be offered a job. I was very, very lucky. Every time I changed roles or business, I was able to land my next role and move up, as it were.

Now, here I am with my hubby. We live in our little park home. And I will tell you I am grateful we've a roof over our head and food to eat. I am no fool and know just how much people are struggling.

But back to the fact of ageism, beauty and what our identity is, now. Now that we are moving into a new realm of life.

I struggle some days, I must admit. I feel frustrated, unfairly treated and sometimes invisible. So very strange, yet, I know many other women are feeling the same.

So, I have attached this beautiful piece of art and writing, because they inspire me, and I thought they may be nice to open the conversation with.

Please, if you feel you would like to, I would love to hear your experience.

Many thanks,
Miss Redd

RosieandherMaw Sat 28-Jun-25 13:01:31

Never considered myself to be a “beauty” preferring to depend on my brains, wits, nous, character so I can’t say it bothers me.
I look at old women with wonderful faces, full of character, personality, lines drawn by life experience and honestly there is no comparison with those who have had “work done”
It’s good not to be judged on one’s looks, so many young women seem to be obsessed with their self image - and hung up about imagined imperfections which they attempt to address with lip enhancements, leading to trout puts, beetle eye brows, Botox, boob jobs hair extensions and goodness knows what else.
They pose and pout for selfies, even employing filters, who are they kidding, themselves? True beauty comes from within.

keepingquiet Sat 28-Jun-25 13:14:15

I think if you invest your energies into shallow endeavours such as always 'looking good' whatever that means, then when you get judged by other as looking old, your whole world will come crashing down.

Better to invest in the more lasting things in life that will never judge you this way- family and friends especially but also being able to do your job well and serve your community. You can do all these things well even as you get older.

Also caring for your health is a much more rewarding way of taking care of what's inside too- the only way of looking eternally young is to die at an early age- and who would want that?
Not me- I look forward to getting older, more loved for who I am, and respected for what I've done to help people along the way.

ViceVersa Sat 28-Jun-25 13:15:34

For me, it's definitely a case of 'what you never had, you never miss'. This is why I actively avoid having my photo taken too.

62Granny Sat 28-Jun-25 13:19:38

I was perhaps lucky never to have considered myself to be a " beauty " but have grown old (67) gracefully and I have been told recently that I have nice skin with few wrinkles and still have my natural dark hair without any colouring. I think beauty comes from within and it is so much nicer to be a nice person rather than someone with good looks. I see ladies who I considered to be good looking in their younger days but as they have aged their looks have diminished and they seem to work harder to maintain that level good looks into their mature years.
I have always worked till just before my 60s ,( I gave up paid employment to look after my DH, who has a long term disability) but it was never at a high level but I always enjoyed it.
I have never been a person who smoked and an moderate drinker but even that has decreased recently to one glass a week.

MissRedd Sat 28-Jun-25 13:21:27

keepingquiet

I think if you invest your energies into shallow endeavours such as always 'looking good' whatever that means, then when you get judged by other as looking old, your whole world will come crashing down.

Better to invest in the more lasting things in life that will never judge you this way- family and friends especially but also being able to do your job well and serve your community. You can do all these things well even as you get older.

Also caring for your health is a much more rewarding way of taking care of what's inside too- the only way of looking eternally young is to die at an early age- and who would want that?
Not me- I look forward to getting older, more loved for who I am, and respected for what I've done to help people along the way.

Thanks keepingquiet, this was a really helpful post.

Tell me, if you feel you would like to share, were you raised by parents who really saw you as a whole person? Meaning, they were very interested in your abilities and learning.

After reading your post, I get the feeling you may have been supported by some positive parenting regarding who you are, instead of what you look like.

This is the absolute key to raising a strong and confident woman, who will tend to be quite happy with herself on the whole, as long as she reaches her own personal goals, etc.

It would be really interesting to know how your parents viewed you and your future.

Many thanks,
Miss Redd

MissRedd Sat 28-Jun-25 13:35:35

ViceVersa

For me, it's definitely a case of 'what you never had, you never miss'. This is why I actively avoid having my photo taken too.

Thanks ViceVersa,

I absolutely understand where you are coming from. At the same time, part of me feels sad.

I'm the same way about having photos taken. At the same time, now that I am getting older, I am a bit sad that I don't have memories of the places and different ages I was, if that makes sense.

I get the feeling that it is us who miss out, due to feeling we do not want to see ourselves in photos, nor do we want anyone to see us.

That's sort of at the heart of what I am sharing here.

If you don't feel you are "attractive" physically, do you feel you have attributes that you feel very happy about?

Of course, only share what you feel you would like to share. I appreciate you having made a post.

Miss Redd

Franski Sat 28-Jun-25 13:36:33

I think vitality is beautiful. A woman who is curious, interested in other people, open-minded, compassionate and growing in wisdom. Everything physical fades rapidly. Like others, I was never particularly stunning. It's easier to age without having got used to beauty as currency. I feel for women for whom theur looks were a kind of power.

Grammaretto Sat 28-Jun-25 13:47:06

I think it's a shame that some people "actively avoid having their photo taken"
To me that is just another reminder of the self consciousness we, well I, have spent a lifetime trying to rid myself of.

Like Rosieandhermaw I much prefer to see natural aging faces than ones heavily "made up" or "worked on" although if it's what makes them happy then so be it.

Mmc123uk Sat 28-Jun-25 13:56:31

Franski

I think vitality is beautiful. A woman who is curious, interested in other people, open-minded, compassionate and growing in wisdom. Everything physical fades rapidly. Like others, I was never particularly stunning. It's easier to age without having got used to beauty as currency. I feel for women for whom theur looks were a kind of power.

Absolutely this Franski passion & vitality make people come alive & illuminate their inner selves & that's what I see as beautiful

Luckily I was always considered attractive, never beautiful so it was never I standard I needed to maintain. I can imagine how difficult & sad that might be, looks fade as does our inner energy/presence and I would imagine you could grieve/miss that.

I found that I became less noticed, 'invisible' as I turned 60/61 (64 now) which was something I personally needed to adapt too ... maybe we all have our own struggles!!

As a outdoor bunny, walking/canoeing I was always low maintenence image wise too, so nothing difficult there now either .... I still rarely wear make up apart from lipstick/gloss.

Kate1949 Sat 28-Jun-25 14:02:49

I used to look quite good back in the day. I was the right shape for my teenage years in the 60s - tall, slim, long legs. However, now, at nearly 76, mother nature has been very unkind to me looks wise. I am a physical wreck but doing my best to plod on as best I can

Kate1949 Sat 28-Jun-25 14:03:44

and grateful to still be here.

RosieandherMaw Sat 28-Jun-25 14:19:32

Compare and contrast Judi Dench and Donatella Versace

ViceVersa Sat 28-Jun-25 14:22:08

Grammaretto

I think it's a shame that some people "actively avoid having their photo taken"
To me that is just another reminder of the self consciousness we, well I, have spent a lifetime trying to rid myself of.

Like Rosieandhermaw I much prefer to see natural aging faces than ones heavily "made up" or "worked on" although if it's what makes them happy then so be it.

When you've spent your childhood being told that you're too fat, not pretty enough etc etc (even by your own mother), then that leaves mental scars which remain with you for a lifetime. If self consciousness was a sport, I could win gold medals at the Olympics. My family always joke that if I ever disappeared, there would be no 'missing person' posters, because there are no photos of me.

AGAA4 Sat 28-Jun-25 14:28:46

I don't think I've ever been bothered about whether people are beautiful or not. It's always been about who people are.

It is very unfair that beautiful looking people seem to get on better despite not being as talented as someone else who hasn't been bestowed with good looks.
I've found through quite a long life (nearly 80) that the most interesting and often nicest people aren't particularly good looking. I wonder if beautiful people feel they don't have to try very hard?
I think like others that concentrating on health, keeping as fit as you can is more important than than trying to look good.

Kate1949 Sat 28-Jun-25 14:30:03

We'll when you lose your hair through alopecia, like me, you're totally stuffed looks wise.

pably15 Sat 28-Jun-25 14:50:24

I'm 80 years old, I like to wear makeup and have my hair looking nice, and I'd rather see someone with a smile on their face, that someone who has had work done over the years and can't smile because their skin won't stretch anymore

escaped Sat 28-Jun-25 14:51:38

The majority of the people my age that I know are neither the most beautiful nor the most intelligent, (though some like to think they are!) The ones who make the greatest impression are those who refine their best features/personality traits and subtly disguise their faults. We can all work at that, whatever age.

Jaxjacky Sat 28-Jun-25 15:16:55

In what situations do you feel unfairly treated and invisible MissRedd? Is it when you don’t get the jobs you’ve applied for?
The IT industry moves so quickly, being out any length of time will mean a lot has moved on, cloud computing, AI and cybersecurity are now the required skills.

Oreo Sat 28-Jun-25 15:20:47

A smiling face is an attractive face generally speaking, as is a natural look.
Too much ‘work’ can look very strange.
Personally speaking I don’t worry about ageing as it’s what happens if you live long enough.

Allira Sat 28-Jun-25 15:37:46

ViceVersa

For me, it's definitely a case of 'what you never had, you never miss'. This is why I actively avoid having my photo taken too.

In a nutshell!
That goes for me too.

However, sometimes photos are unavoidable. When family say "Oh, that's a good one of you" I think good grief, it's awful.

Grannybags Sat 28-Jun-25 15:44:51

This reminded me of my lovely Mum.

When she was in her eighties she was peering in a mirror when she said “It must be so much easier getting old if you’ve always been ugly!”

Samsara1 Sat 28-Jun-25 15:45:16

I like to be very spiritual and say I don't care what I look like but I do and I put some effort. I've never been a beauty and I'm ageing now so will never be on the cover of Vogue. It matters to me and it matters to my husband that I'm happy so yes, I do spend on hair, nails, make up, clothes. I do mind very much about getting old especially as things are going wrong healthwise for both of us so self care, good food, days out, holidays etc are all part of both of us clinging on to life I suppose.

MayBee70 Sat 28-Jun-25 15:53:40

I feel a bit cheated in that I never looked good in my youth but found myself ageing much better than many in my peer group when I hit my middle years. However, having pretty much shut myself away from the world during the pandemic and then continuing it way past that time, when I did decide to re emerge into the world my always thin hair had all but disappeared and my face (especially my eyes) had dropped to the extent that I could no longer wear the make up that I’d always worn.

Allira Sat 28-Jun-25 15:56:01

Let me put it very briefly, with decades upon decades of experience, awards, accolades and certifications, I could not get a job, not even as a customer care admin for 10 pound and hour. My CVs were turned down again and again. I still have the file, there are hundreds.

I'm wondering if the tech world is full of young whiz kids? Young, predominantly male? And possibly chauvinistic and ageist too.

It's not you, it's them.