Jaxjacky
I assume BOTS posting don’t break the rules petra 😏
I argued with one a while back. Someone reported my posts and I was banned for a week.
Couldn’t make it up, could you 🤷♀️
Hello to all,
I hope you are having a really lovely weekend. I've had this photo and beautiful prose for awhile. I love to read it and think about it when I am feeling a bit down.
How do you feel about ageing? How has the process been for you, as a woman specifically.
Statistics show us women experience ageing and ageism differently then men. It doesn't mean that men don't struggle or are not affected, because they are, and I want that to be clear. However, that is not what this conversation is about.
As a woman in this world, how do you feel about ageing. If you can be honest, if you have come to that part of your life, the part of self-reflection, where you have a good idea of where you stand.
I'll start the conversation. For anyone who would like to join, you are very welcome.
I'll be 60 in less than 2 months. I grew up in California, though I have been in the UK for 16 years as a Dual Citizen now. The UK is my home.
However, I must admit, where I was raised, in Southern California, near Malibu and Hollywood, there was much to do about looks, and of course, there certainly still is, especially for women and their "worth".
I remember my mother going on and on about how important it would be to take care of myself and that I would want to look my best, to be sure I could find someone to "take care of me". At the very same time, she was very adamant about women having their own careers.
I suppose our mum's are human and my mum was very torn, as you can see. She knew that she wanted her "girls" to be career-women, so we could take care of ourselves, yet she still had that solid line that we would ultimately need a man to take care of us.
Where I grew up, and the years which would follow, it was very clear that if you were considered "attractive", you were treated differently. Better, to be fair. And so it went.
The one thing I didn't bargain for, was ageing. Why? Because I was never taught about it. Were any of you? In your school system here in the UK, was ageing and the menopause ever spoken of in detail?
It wasn't in the US, that's for sure. And most certainly not in Southern California.
As I got older, I ended up in Northern California during the "Dot Com" boom. I was very lucky that way. Though I had not gone to school for tech, I came into a company as the secretary/admin. I answered phones and let people into the building.
Over the year I was in that role, I decided I was going to see if I could learn a little "tech" with the help of friends I made who worked there. And sure enough, I did. And within a year I was hired.
From there, the sky was the limit, It really was. I ultimately became a manager at Hewlett Packard and when I moved to the UK, they actually got hold of me and asked me to come back, which meant working from home! So I did.
Let's say, over time, I made a decision it was time to spend more time with family and the world. I had worked so very hard and so many hours from a very young age. I raised my son with a laptop in my hands most of the time, sadly. But needs must.
When I changed roles and because a Funeral Arranger and End of Life Support person, I was looking forward to doing my "heart work". However, this work is Freelance type work and it was hit and miss. Over time, I realised the income was not as I had hoped, and started to try to get back into tech.
Let me put it very briefly, with decades upon decades of experience, awards, accolades and certifications, I could not get a job, not even as a customer care admin for 10 pound and hour. My CVs were turned down again and again. I still have the file, there are hundreds.
I tried everything. And it was honestly so very strange, as in the past, I never knew what it was like not to be offered a job. I was very, very lucky. Every time I changed roles or business, I was able to land my next role and move up, as it were.
Now, here I am with my hubby. We live in our little park home. And I will tell you I am grateful we've a roof over our head and food to eat. I am no fool and know just how much people are struggling.
But back to the fact of ageism, beauty and what our identity is, now. Now that we are moving into a new realm of life.
I struggle some days, I must admit. I feel frustrated, unfairly treated and sometimes invisible. So very strange, yet, I know many other women are feeling the same.
So, I have attached this beautiful piece of art and writing, because they inspire me, and I thought they may be nice to open the conversation with.
Please, if you feel you would like to, I would love to hear your experience.
Many thanks,
Miss Redd
Jaxjacky
I assume BOTS posting don’t break the rules petra 😏
I argued with one a while back. Someone reported my posts and I was banned for a week.
Couldn’t make it up, could you 🤷♀️
Sweetpeasue
'Beauty is a light in your heart'
This to me is as good as anything here.
Thanks Miss Redd for an interesting discussion.
That's very kind of you, Sweetpeasue! There is always something to learn from each other along the way. Not mistakes. Just stepping-stones. Sometimes those stepping-stones may be a bit bumpy, but we do eventually get to where we are going.
I love so many of the thoughts you all shared here. So many great experiences and ways to view the subect.
Take care,
Miss Redd
NotSpaghetti
Allira
I know people who had great careers, famous connections, and retired to Park Homes.
That really does come across as rather snobby and superior.Agreed Allira
There are so many really lovely people here. I am still very glad I found you all. Thank you, NotSpaghetti.
Take care,
Miss Redd
'Beauty is a light in your heart'
This to me is as good as anything here.
Thanks Miss Redd for an interesting discussion.
Allira
I know people who had great careers, famous connections, and retired to Park Homes.
That really does come across as rather snobby and superior.
Agreed Allira
Allira
RosieandherMaw
The thing is, this thread has not evolved into a discussion about whether or not women of our age feel (or felt when younger )about the role appearance makes in their lives.
Instead it has morphed into a Q/A session where OP takes it on herself to answer each post . A rather 2 dimensional type of “conversation” dominated by OP.
I have lost sight of what it is all about anyway.Beauty is in the eye of the beholder!
Beauty is but a vain and doubtful good; a shining gloss that fadeth suddenly; a flower that dies when it begins to bud; a doubtful good, a gloss, a glass, a flower, lost, faded, broken, dead within an hour.
Beauty is not in the face; beauty is a light in the heart.
That's beautifully put and something really important to put at the front of one's mind.
Beauty is a light in the heart. I love that.
Thanks,
Miss Redd
RosieandherMaw
The thing is, this thread has not evolved into a discussion about whether or not women of our age feel (or felt when younger )about the role appearance makes in their lives.
Instead it has morphed into a Q/A session where OP takes it on herself to answer each post . A rather 2 dimensional type of “conversation” dominated by OP.
I have lost sight of what it is all about anyway.
RosieandherMaw, again, your viewpoint. One that doesn't feel very friendly at all. If you don't like the format, why are you answering?
If you've read anything I post, I try my best to answer everything someone says to me, personally. If someone is going to take the time to answer a question, I feel it's a decent thing to do to reply,
Maybe you don't see it that way. That doesn't make it right or wrong. As if there was some "way" we must answer posts in a a forum.
Now that just seems a bit petty. But again, that's just the feeling I am left with.
I mean, why do you care? Why are you so bothered that I am answering each person? "Dominating the conversation?" LOL. Goodness. Is there no end to the kindness and giving someone the benefit of the doubt.
Or must we all be judged immediately and quickly sorted into a box that makes you feel better?
Just...strange. It would be very strange if I didn't have any thoughts about what happened here.
Perhaps some people have had some "bot" experiences, which have made them concerned.
Otherwise, I think we are safe to allow people to post how they would like to and if you don't enjoy the thread, just leave it. It's not for you.
That would make sense, really.
RosieandherMaw
The thing is, this thread has not evolved into a discussion about whether or not women of our age feel (or felt when younger )about the role appearance makes in their lives.
Instead it has morphed into a Q/A session where OP takes it on herself to answer each post . A rather 2 dimensional type of “conversation” dominated by OP.
I have lost sight of what it is all about anyway.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder!
Beauty is but a vain and doubtful good; a shining gloss that fadeth suddenly; a flower that dies when it begins to bud; a doubtful good, a gloss, a glass, a flower, lost, faded, broken, dead within an hour.
Beauty is not in the face; beauty is a light in the heart.
The thing is, this thread has not evolved into a discussion about whether or not women of our age feel (or felt when younger )about the role appearance makes in their lives.
Instead it has morphed into a Q/A session where OP takes it on herself to answer each post . A rather 2 dimensional type of “conversation” dominated by OP.
I have lost sight of what it is all about anyway.
petra
Jaxjacky
OP joined GN at the end of May.
I’m wondering if it’s AI, in the style of Mrs Doubtfire.Spot on.
As it’s against the rules 🤷♀️ to bring up posts I can’t repeat what I’ve noticed. But it’s there to see if anyone cares to look.
Definitely a BOT.
Just to be clear, Petra, so we can ensure this is cleared up right now, I am definitely not a BOT.
But it has given me a bit of a laugh by now. Goodness sakes, folks. I leave for a couple of hours to do a few things and I come back as an AI BOT! LOL.
I asked
for clarification. I typed: am curious
There is obviously a great story in there of migrating to the UK and starting your life here and if you share it , you will be very brave. I post only snippets of my life on places like here
Milsa
Red, your post was all encompassing, not really concentrating on how older women feel ageing about the perception of their beauty. Someone thought might be a bot post, I thought similar.
I do live in a small accommodation, brick and mortar. Also looked to buy a possible park home
No need to feel grilled, no one here has tried to do it
Milsa,
Everyone gets to have their own take and opinion here. And that is your perception.
I don't see it your way at all, but again-we all see things in our own way.
This is a forum with many people with varied backgrounds and experiences.
There are always going to be those who take something and run with it, before even asking for clarification, which would have been great.
But lacking that, it is what it is. And on we go.
Miss Redd
Allira
Well, I just felt rather cross, MissRedd.
My relatives (both had very good jobs) bought a Park Home when they decided to retire early; their family was surprised but they loved it and the neighbours were all great, too. We enjoyed visiting them there. It was a lovely home.
That's really lovely, Allira. And yes, this is a very lovely place. There is the front section, those must be the parts the others were speaking about, where you cannot live here all year round.
We purchased a residential Park Home, and yes, as you said-that is indeed what it is called on our agreement, and is used in the actual name of the location. LOL.
People can be silly, I know. And yes, these places are really lovely. They are not sprawling bricks and mortar homes, of course, but they are very sweet and comfortable. The people are very friendly and there are places to walk the dog and fish.
This is just a place we ended up for a a short time, we figure about 5 years, but we would certainly not think it a bad place, nor have I ever judged someone for where they live, no matter where that may be.
Goodness, that would be incredibly unkind to do, and once again, similar to my initial post, it's rather like judging a book by it's cover, and I thought none of us wanted that.
Thanks for sharing your experience, which sounds very lovely and thanks again for being a kind person.
Miss Redd
Red, your post was all encompassing, not really concentrating on how older women feel ageing about the perception of their beauty. Someone thought might be a bot post, I thought similar.
I do live in a small accommodation, brick and mortar. Also looked to buy a possible park home
No need to feel grilled, no one here has tried to do it
Well, I just felt rather cross, MissRedd.
My relatives (both had very good jobs) bought a Park Home when they decided to retire early; their family was surprised but they loved it and the neighbours were all great, too. We enjoyed visiting them there. It was a lovely home.
Allira
I know people who had great careers, famous connections, and retired to Park Homes.
That really does come across as rather snobby and superior.
Allira,
I'd like to thank you, from the bottom of my heart for your kindness here. You didn't have to step in for me, but you were so kind to do that!
I've not had many friends and it's been a long couple of tough old years.
I was excited to find this place, as I thought I could make some new friends, as we have things in common.
I guess it's like anything else. A subsection of real-life. And some people will like you and others will not.
And perhaps there isn't anything that can be done about that.
I need to remember that, and not take it so hard, I suppose.
Anyway, a hug to you for being so thoughtful! Thank you! x
Miss Redd
Skydancer
Is this a wind up? Maybe someone writing a magazine article?
Ok, so it starts here with you, Skydancer. I just wanted to get an idea of how this thread devolved into what it has become (which was a very surprising thing to come to back to!).
This is from an article, which you can see I shared. That is where the title comes from, the title of the article I shared, along with the corresponding picture that came with the article. I did not write the article, I admired it and thought it would be nice as a talking point here.
How has this all became about how I live in a Park Home, or no-a caravan?
This is honestly so strange and sad. 
Park Home along the road from that of my relatives is on the market for nearly £400,000.
That, of course, is without the land.
Of course, Milsa might live in a multi£million home so that would seem like a caravan.
Milsa
Might be. From fancy LA silicone start up to a UK caravan, ou-key. I am curious
Milsa?
Why did you feel the need to write that? I'd be happy to share the very hard time my husband and I went through with the death of his mum last June and the death of my father this last December. I can also talk about some other issues that brought me to our Park Home, if that is somehow important.
I am honestly a bit miffed and if I am very honest, I feel a bit hurt by all of this.
I don't think I had it coming. What did I do or say to offend you so deeply that you would "go after me" in this way?
Miss Redd
Milsa
Might be. From fancy LA silicone start up to a UK caravan, ou-key. I am curious
So, Milsa
How much is your home worth? Of course, it could be a mansion. 🙂
Your post comes across as incredibly snobby.
Allira
I know people who had great careers, famous connections, and retired to Park Homes.
That really does come across as rather snobby and superior.
Here in Scotland, different legislature from England, there are numerous legal downsides associated with Park Homes. Many of them can't even be permanently occupied.
Plus, the consequences of our climate on that type of structure.
I assume BOTS posting don’t break the rules petra 😏
Skydancer
Is this a wind up? Maybe someone writing a magazine article?
Wait a moment, all. What's this all about?? I am a new kid here. I wrote my opening post not long ago. I have joined in various discussions.
Can I ask why you would consider this post a wind-up??? What about what I wrote gives you that impression? I'll go back and see if I have other posts to catch up on where someone says something, but this is very strange at the moment.
I thought we were having a good discussion. How did it turn into this?
Let me know, if you are able.
Thanks,
Miss Redd
Jaxjacky
OP joined GN at the end of May.
I’m wondering if it’s AI, in the style of Mrs Doubtfire.
Spot on.
As it’s against the rules 🤷♀️ to bring up posts I can’t repeat what I’ve noticed. But it’s there to see if anyone cares to look.
Definitely a BOT.
I have only read the title of the post. Based on that, never mind how many years of beauty do I have left, how any years of life do I have left ?
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