How to steal the show.

rafichagran

Joan is 92, she does not need to seek anyone's approval. She looks fabulous, she is still working and to me an example to the young about hard work.

What happened to personal responsibility, we should not rely on others how we choose to live our lives.

I do not think posters who did not like Joan's look are jealous, just judgemental. They may not like the glamour but leave it to others who do.

I do totally agree we shouldn't rely on others how we choose to live our lives but I actually think that is very difficult. Few are free of what people think about them or concerns about how they come across especially in this era of social media, "influencers" glam:

I do accept Joan has chosen her path and it not intentionally intending hurt, of course, but I chose to tackle the subject from an angle that I do think matters.

GrannyGravy13

*Painted Dolls* flipping heck it’s the 21st century, not the 19th😡😡😡. Such an old fashioned way to think…

I wear makeup for me

When the occasion arrives I glam up for me

I also exercise (Pilates, Callanetics, HIT, circuits etc.) for me

There are thousands if not millions of women round the world who refuse to equate aging with pinafores. I love fashion and style.

Very much agree! Women no longer have to 'conform ' to anyone's ideals but their own, such freedom hasn't come easily and we should celebrate ourselves and our sisters.
The young ones (that I know) are very into this and are supportive of each other enormously
I also think Joan Collins a rather good role model for any younger woman, brilliant career, still working had her fair share of knocks and still stealing the stage.
Go Joan!

Wyllow3

She is a modern day celebrity Silvershadow. Yes, she lies within a culture of influential celebs.

Of course young girls aren't looking at her specifically, I'm seeing it as a social and cultural phenomena and the damage it can do.

Do point out another "sanctimonious" post else thread?

I do have strong feelings when I feel cultural tendencies may harm people.
Maybe its influenced by girls and young women I've met struggling because of trying to live up to what is put out there?

Joan is "old school glamour"
At the age of 92 she is more likely to have influenced these young girls great-grandmothers, if she did at all. Were we influenced by film stars like her? I wasn't.

There are so many "influencers" on social media now, vapid looks, pouty filler-enhanced lips, botoxed cheeks, who may, unfortunately, be rôle models for young girls who will never have heard of Joan.

It's a different world now.

In the past it used to be Kate Moss, blamed for the heroine chic look. Now Joan Collins, at the age of 92, is being blamed for young girls plastering their faces with makeup up, teenagers who’ve probably never ever heard of her, on a programme I’ve never heard of called Look North. Whatever happened to personal responsibility? If I choose to plaster myself with makeup, get drugged up to the eyeballs, drink myself silly what celebrity should I blame? This whole argument is absurd. When I look at photos in the news of people on race days such as Aintree or recently Chester races all glammed up, enjoying themselves, I don’t think oh that must be Joan Collins influence.

This thread originated about most of us celebrating the fact that a lady of 92 is still looking fabulous at an age where many don’t bother, never have bothered or are dead. She’s still working, pulls out all the stops to get her new film noticed and looks absolutely amazing. I know who I’d rather have as my role model.

But is it really so very, very different from some celebs "now"? The. younger ones are just stripping off more.

I feel sort of sad that the movement of "loving your body as it is, whether you be skinny or a large lady or have a disability"

seems to have been overwhelmed by what is just a continuation of what has gone?

Nothing wrong with looking good for yourself or others in a natural and self accepting sort of way whoever you are.

The Andrew Tates of this world - look at the women they choose and parade on their arms - they fit the stereotype.

Look North is after the BBC main News at 6pm and 10pm.
After the main news there are about 20 or more regional news programmes where you get local news and views in all the UK.
It's a mix of serious news and always finds and praises community initiatives and so on.

Hundreds of thousands of viewers watch it nightly (checked my figures. -around 600.000) - its one of the most watched regional news items , and the schools where the interviews took place were in Bradford with 4000 participants.

Nothing wrong with looking good for yourself or others in a natural and self accepting sort of way whoever you are.

Of course not if you're pushing a trolley round Tesco!
But if you're promoting your latest film at the Cannes Film Festival at the age of 92, you might want to pull out all the stops 😁

But we don’t all live in your area Wyllow so us southerners and our daughters and grand daughters aren’t aware of it. We have our own community news in our own areas. And isn’t it lovely to have a break from ‘serious issues and community initiatives’ which I believe should be on the news and politics thread where you usually post prolifically.

This thread is about admiration for a lady 99% of women in the UK, who know if her, would admire.

I've heard of Look North.

But the majority won't be watching it, however popular it is. Why would we?

MissAdventure

Has anyone seen Pamela Anderson of late?
She has gone totally back to a natural look.
She is blessed with a naturally lovely face, too.

She’s actually gone back to wearing makeup

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MissAdventure

Has anyone seen Pamela Anderson of late?
She has gone totally back to a natural look.
She is blessed with a naturally lovely face, too.

She’s actually gone back to wearing makeup

She used to use Botox and face fillers.

Oh, has she?
I'm a bit behind, then.

She used to, apparently. I don't know if she does now.

Re Look North - someone asked what it was, so I told them, thats where the interview of the school pupils all dolled up aged 13 to 16 appeared and it felt sad.

Wyllow3

I don't buy that, frankly. I'm with Monica.

We are better and far, far more than that as women, painted dolls that just buy into a specific idea of beauty as thin, highly made up, clearly very wealthy:

all surface and no substance. ~nothing wrong with looking the best we can be but we are so much, much more.

I think that there’s quite a lot of substance to Joan. It’s possible to have both.

I seen this photo of Joan Collins and also a photo of Jane Fonda and thought that Joan looked the better of the two, Jane face didn't look quite right although her hair / wig looks lovely a more natural colour than Joan's , but TBH just getting "dolled up" and making an effort should be appreciated at this time in their lives. To compare Mary Berry to them isn't right her talents rely in her ability as a cook and to teach, where as the other two are more relied on their looks for their career

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Jane Fonda, who has had "work done" I thought looked good at the same event as Joan Collins. She is 88.
Here she is - with her lovely grey hair.

And one of her in February (I think) wearing purple.

I get that Basgetti, I'm looking at a broad social phenomena rather than one individual. But the point is that she has spent a lifetime concentrating on how she looks and her books are - well - about people who live that way. the Hollywood slab culture over years.
She's witty.

But that is her substance: fair enough, but I certainly don't worship it or value it in the world we live in, I'm not completely sure what it does actually give back except fantasy.

Unfortunately we are now surrounded by slebs who don't have both. and young women who do botox and nice ordinary ing teenagers feeling pressurised.

It would be nice to see more of women who've done all kinds of wonderful things that they were one not allowed or enabled to do, whatever they look like.

Actually there are lots of different role models for girls and young women to admire and thankfully their participation in sport and exercise has increased in the last decade thanks to programmes like "This girl can", the success of women's teams in football, rugby and cricket etc and the popularity of park runs, Crossfit and Hydrox. I've been a role model for my two daughters as I've always played sports and taken part in regular exercise. They both are active participants with my pregnant younger daughter continuing to go to crossfit for as long as she thought it suitable and intending to go back asap after the birth. She's continued with pilates going to a special pre-natal class. My grandchildren know that I exercise regularly and they all do too, playing a number of different sports. If we want our young women to be healthy and look after themselves, we need to set them an example. None of the women in our family have had surgical procedures but we all look after our skin, exercise and eat decent food. If this sounds sanctimonious, so be it.

Good old Joanie. She has made a second and very successful career of 'turning up' at events looking fabulous. Really, does she look worse than some of those red carpet celebrities in weird dresses displaying all their (ahem) talents? No, I really don't think so. And Joan appears to be in a happy marriage at last, to a man a great deal younger than she is.
Go for it, girl!

Comparing Mary Berry (a cook) with Joan Collins (vintage film star) is ridiculous. As is suggesting she is suffering from “mental deterioration” Monica.😁

She’s a working actress, just made a film in her nineties and has to put SOMETHING on for a red carpet event. You may not like the dress or makeup (and I don’t like her politics) but she’s not half naked as we have seen recently at similar events.

Reading this thread, I think some of you would prefer her to be at home in her recliner, slippers, cocoa and dressing gown to hand. Maybe you are and couldn’t be both to make an effort.

bothered

Top post, Foxie. I’m actually posting from my gym, surrounded by aged 60 to 85 women at this time of day, some coming out of Pilates or Endurance, others heading for the pool if not so enabled. All kinds of wibbly and wobbly as well as fit bodies.

I guess it started with mum, she wasn’t against make up, but just used a bit of lippy, and with us girl children it was, ‘go bring the apples down off that tree’ yes jump that log’ see how fast you can run to….no pressure to be a star, but to enjoy. I just went on from there.

Upbringing has an awful lot to do with it?

My son didn’t choose a girl for her glam: yes she likes to wear make up just to go out, but DGD is shaping up nicely as a footballer as well as giggly girl stuff with her bf. ….

It’s genes too, tho, isn’t it? If we were in the Victorian era the pear shape would be much admired… Now it’s the t shirt shape. …oh, and the extra large bum …but there needs to be role models across the board?

I think she looks fabulous whether she had cosmetic surgery or not! I hope I look as good as her when I’m 90. My feelings whatever you feel to help you look this good then do it!!!

A good cosmetic surgeon, huh