Should airports and airlines ban alcohol?

I used to like the ferry when we travelled to Ireland a lot with the children.
There was time out of the car, to eat, play games, watch a film.
And no, even on that route they weren't all dirty

Norah there is, for me, the issue of time.

We would prefer not to use a plane but just before Covid it would have added over a whole full day of driving (each way) and at least one overnight stop to get to our destination.

...And it was much more expensive.

We are still looking for alternatives but they aren't always there to be honest.

👍

Joseann

^rather than out on the sea in a dirty ferry^. Not all ferries are dirty Norah, I promise you! We book a Commodore cabin on BF, fresh white sheets, white towels, a fridge full of drinks, a bowl of fruit, macarons and chocolates. All spotless.

Then this was my starter last month in the restaurant, note the crisp white table cloth and glistening glasses.

I'm pulling your leg a bit, but it's true. Our holiday starts the minute we board the ferry, and 5 hours goes by pretty quickly.

Noted.

My point remains, over land here, under water in tunnel for 35 minutes is a fantastic time save for many, and ecological wonder!

rather than out on the sea in a dirty ferry. Not all ferries are dirty Norah, I promise you! We book a Commodore cabin on BF, fresh white sheets, white towels, a fridge full of drinks, a bowl of fruit, macarons and chocolates. All spotless.

Then this was my starter last month in the restaurant, note the crisp white table cloth and glistening glasses.

I'm pulling your leg a bit, but it's true. Our holiday starts the minute we board the ferry, and 5 hours goes by pretty quickly.

Blondiescot

Norah

Joseann

One BF "green" ship will replace the Bretagne on the Portsmouth to St. Malo route, the other will replace the Normandie on Portsmouth to Caen route. The only downside I see is that they take longer to refuel in port, so the turn around times will be longer.
Monica does your DH think they are problem free and safe?

Why wouldn't most just prefer the channel tunnel? Fast, easy, and as I understand - almost no emissions. We love the tunnel.

Because for those of us up here north of the Border, we'd be looking at driving pretty much the whole day to even get to the tunnel! Sorry, but flying wins every time for me. And we haven't even had a holiday since pre-covid, home or abroad, so the next time we do manage to venture abroad, it'll definitely be on a plane.

I totally understand . Your situation is much like "why do people fly"? Answer being because they want to get somewhere. We don't fly to ski Germany or Autria, because all our packed gear.

I was asking why more don't take the channel tunnel instead of an environmentally poor substitute (some are now green, but still emit a lot of CO2)

Time saving is also important, imo. Depending where one begins and ends UK to France journey. For us, driving across land loner is better to get to the tunnel, rather than out on the sea in a dirty ferry.

Quote: "Reduce your carbon footprint
What's more, Eurotunnel Le Shuttle produces on average 2kg of CO2 per car per crossing, compared to 147kg of CO2 for a typical Dover-Calais ferry. That's 73x less! Feb 7, 2023"

Toetoe

My son is a number 1 Air steward with a popular holiday company . He tells me most alcohol is drunk prior to boarding and even he has refused people on board because they are a danger to themselves and others . He tells me they should be refused prior to the boarding gate but often they are allowed through . He has refused alcohol on board to many , he gets abused but he has family and safety standards as a high priority. He does his best to make sure those who climb on board his aeroplane are safe to do so . He has made a group of rowdy men turn their t shirts inside out as they were printed with disgusting swear words and offensive slogans, the lads were happy to do that after he said there were many children boarding . He also had a group arrested in another country on landing for drug taking and abusive behaviour . Armed police were waiting on the ground.
Very often on board the stewards will refuse more alcohol if they feel the safety of passengers is at risk . I am well proud of my son and his crew , they have your safety in mind .

A great attitude and I have seen cabin crew deal very well with drunken behaviour.
Unfortunately nothing they could do about the awful drunk man on the Leeds/Bergamot flight, he had @@@@ his pants.
It was the longest flight🤮.

Yes, I totally understand that Blondiescot. I hope you manage a trip abroad soon.

Norah

Joseann

One BF "green" ship will replace the Bretagne on the Portsmouth to St. Malo route, the other will replace the Normandie on Portsmouth to Caen route. The only downside I see is that they take longer to refuel in port, so the turn around times will be longer.
Monica does your DH think they are problem free and safe?

Why wouldn't most just prefer the channel tunnel? Fast, easy, and as I understand - almost no emissions. We love the tunnel.

Because for those of us up here north of the Border, we'd be looking at driving pretty much the whole day to even get to the tunnel! Sorry, but flying wins every time for me. And we haven't even had a holiday since pre-covid, home or abroad, so the next time we do manage to venture abroad, it'll definitely be on a plane.

Maybe not as there are plenty of crew on hand. But most definitely on trains. I found myself in a situation on a train where I was very uneasy as were other passengers. It's all very well the train companies telling us to contact a member of staff or the transport police but how do you do that when you are hemmed in by loud-mouthed drunks?

Callistemon21

^Why wouldn't most just prefer the channel tunnel? Fast, easy, and as I understand - almost no emissions. We love the tunnel^

I'd be in a state of panic all the way under.

We used to love Britanny Ferries, going across was part of the holiday.

We drive via the tunnel now, but I used to like the ferry far more. Wander around the ship, see the White Cliffs, sea air…. You don’t even see the sea when you use the tunnel.

For dh it’s all about the time factor though - and yes, it means maybe a total of 8 hours from home, rather than 7, to our destination not far from Dijon.

Joseann

Norah if you live near Plymouth we can be in France in 5 hours which it would take us in hours just to cross the UK. Of course, it also depends where your place is once in France, but ours is South West, so it's a no brainer.

However, it seems to me (perhaps misguided) the under water bit is so quick - it could maybe make up for the over lands bits?

Of course, IDK your location. I only know ski hills in Germany, Austria, France and trips to buy Italian foods/ wines/ prosecco.

Why wouldn't most just prefer the channel tunnel? Fast, easy, and as I understand - almost no emissions. We love the tunnel

I'd be in a state of panic all the way under.

We used to love Britanny Ferries, going across was part of the holiday.

Norah if you live near Plymouth we can be in France in 5 hours which it would take us in hours just to cross the UK. Of course, it also depends where your place is once in France, but ours is South West, so it's a no brainer.

Joseann

One BF "green" ship will replace the Bretagne on the Portsmouth to St. Malo route, the other will replace the Normandie on Portsmouth to Caen route. The only downside I see is that they take longer to refuel in port, so the turn around times will be longer.
Monica does your DH think they are problem free and safe?

Why wouldn't most just prefer the channel tunnel? Fast, easy, and as I understand - almost no emissions. We love the tunnel.

One BF "green" ship will replace the Bretagne on the Portsmouth to St. Malo route, the other will replace the Normandie on Portsmouth to Caen route. The only downside I see is that they take longer to refuel in port, so the turn around times will be longer.
Monica does your DH think they are problem free and safe?

Quote fom Brittany Ferries website:
The first of these (gas fuelled ships), Galicia, came into service last year and Salamanca now joins the fleet. Next year, our third ship for our UK to Spain routes, Santoña, will be launched and we already have two further LNG-hybrid ships being built for our UK to France routes.

As far as existing routes go, it installed scrubbers on all its fleet sum years ago. Scrubbers remove Sulphur oxides (SOx) from exhaust gasese. New regulations limit sulphur emissions to 0.1% in sulphur emission control areas (SECAs), including the Baltic and North Seas and the Channel, and to 0.5% elsewhere by 2020.

So Brittany Ferries has already gone along way down the clean fuel route. We use Brittany Ferries up to 10 times a year to go to our house in Normandy and as DH is a Naval Architect he has been taking a keen interest in everything that has been happening to these ships.

Joseann

^Ferries are filthy polluters.^
Brittany Ferries are taking delivery of two new hybrid green vessels. They will be powered by cleaner liquefied natural gas fuel.

Thank you.

I wonder how you book a certain green ferry?

We use the channel tunnel when we drive over to ski. We can take our skis, gear, and attire easier driving than flying. Door to Door to near decent ski slopes in 12 hours - let the horses run!

My son is a number 1 Air steward with a popular holiday company . He tells me most alcohol is drunk prior to boarding and even he has refused people on board because they are a danger to themselves and others . He tells me they should be refused prior to the boarding gate but often they are allowed through . He has refused alcohol on board to many , he gets abused but he has family and safety standards as a high priority. He does his best to make sure those who climb on board his aeroplane are safe to do so . He has made a group of rowdy men turn their t shirts inside out as they were printed with disgusting swear words and offensive slogans, the lads were happy to do that after he said there were many children boarding . He also had a group arrested in another country on landing for drug taking and abusive behaviour . Armed police were waiting on the ground.
Very often on board the stewards will refuse more alcohol if they feel the safety of passengers is at risk . I am well proud of my son and his crew , they have your safety in mind .

Yes. Smoking in indoor public places.
And alcohol in some.

Not So many then...

NotSpaghetti

grandtanteJE65 blondiescot, sodapop and others...

We have so many bans on what we may or may not do in public these days

- just can't think what has a ban on in public now that didn't have years ago?. Not being argumentative, genuinely can't think of anything.

Smoking, for one. Now thankfully banned in many 'public places'. Drinking alcohol is also banned in many public spaces too.

I would like to ban all the duty free shops from airports.

I hate the way we get shepherded down these corridors of shops, all scents and lights. Use the space for rows of ectra comfortable seating, with a play area for small children.

In fact, we could get rid of the planes as well, all that nosie and smell.

grandtanteJE65 blondiescot, sodapop and others...

We have so many bans on what we may or may not do in public these days

- just can't think what has a ban on in public now that didn't have years ago?. Not being argumentative, genuinely can't think of anything.

sodapop

Ban children from airports next then .

Definitely not

It’s not the children who are at fault, generally it’s the parents.

If it’s due to the child having ESN problems, then the parents need to communicate with those immediate passengers.

Ban children from airports next then .