new europe situation

Dr Watson good point.
I am still struggling with Ed Milliband’s approach to net zero regarding heating in particular and the idea of unfettered travel if it does contribute in a harmful way to climate change.

For the OP and that “Do the British still think they have some right to be treated in some "special" category?” – yes, there’s an easy argument that we DO indeed deserve special privileges.

WE saved most if not all the rest of Europe (that’s not called Germany) from occupation and degrees of genocide, the conflicts were WW1 and WW2 as you apparently haven’t heard?!

In the latter, the outcome for huge chunks of many populations would have been bleak, depending on what combination of Germany and Russia ruled afterwards.

Substantial subsets of many countries would have been fodder for concentration camps, gas chambers, medical experiments and forced prostitution, so a great many folk owe US THEIR lives – their ancestors just wouldn’t have survived.

“But America saved everyone” I hear some cries. Yes, they were a huge help, of course, BUT they didn’t arrive until after the Japanese helpfully bombed Pearl Harbour, December 1941. But for OUR resistance, the war in Europe would have been over, apart from Hitler and Stalin deciding how best to proceed. And in that event, USA would have had very tough decisions, may well not have come to liberate us all, and it would have been immensely more difficult.

“Oh, no” I hear a squawk, “it was all so long ago” . . . well, that argument doesn’t fly. Those ancestors would have been getting killed off through the forties and fifties, well before America got round to any belated rescue mission, once those ancestors were gone, they’re gone, no life at all for the family trees that followed. Too hard to follow?

I think a few helpful moves with passports – and throw in trading rules too – would be a very reasonable price for the EU to pay in return?

MaizieD your idea of a red herring doesn’t coincide with mine (no surprise there). Don’t you want to save the world?

MaizieD
Judging from the responses on this thread I don't think that £7 for 3 years is going to put anyone off travelling. They're all perfectly happy to pay it and whatever more it would cost them to go far further afield that Europe. 😂

I think you’re right, and saving the planet by not travelling comes further down the list, even with the sudden £7 charge that we can blame Brexit for.
I wonder where all the other countries that will have now to have a visa to go to France, or pay a tourist tax in Edinburgh are putting the blame.

Working on that basis, if a £7 for 3 years stops people damaging the planet . . . It’s a Brexit benefit.

Judging from the responses on this thread I don't think that £7 for 3 years is going to put anyone off travelling. They're all perfectly happy to pay it and whatever more it would cost them to go far further afield that Europe. 😂

ronib is just throwing in her usual red herring...

ronib

Mollygo assuming of course that travel does impact the planet etc …. If it does then I think travel should be rationed. After all what is more important - the planet burning out or a trip to Ibitha?

You can’t possibly have missed all the messages on here about travel damaging the planet, whether it’s planes, trains or automobiles, or 😱😱😱 cruises.
Or whether it’s MPs, RF, celebrities or the public doing the travel.

Working on that basis, if a £7 for 3 years stops people damaging the planet . . . It’s a Brexit benefit.

You could similarly argue that fewer people using fuel because of the increase in prices and the removal of the WFA is the government working towards net zero.

*Grantanow
Brexit: the gift that keeps on giving.*

I did chuckle when I read this. I’ve watched the fallout and repercussions over the years after Brexit, wondering if there is any going back and what it would entail and mean. Oh my. Well, at least our two countries are friends and strongest allies. Grateful for that.

Mollygo assuming of course that travel does impact the planet etc …. If it does then I think travel should be rationed. After all what is more important - the planet burning out or a trip to Ibitha?

ronib

But think of the damage to the planet and simply don’t travel? Am mystified by the double standards surrounding net zero…. So I think visas or visa free travel should be secondary to why do you feel the need to not save the planet? Or something like that …..

Brexit impacts travel plans.

That’s a hard one.

Will it stop people from travelling so much in the interests of the planet, or will it slightly inconvenience those who want to travel, despite the impact on the planet?

Maremia well I think we’re being conned on a daily basis so nothing new here. In fact, under the new regime, it seems to be accelerating….

Ronib, no-one online here seems to have any idea about how to give us proof of BREXIT benefits. Maybe there aren't any, and we were conned?

When we travelled to Turkey in the 1990’s they had simplified the visa down to £10 per person in cash and this was handed over to passport control as we disembarked.

This was very straightforward except we did not know they would not take £20 notes! We were helped out by other travellers nearby.

It is a pity the fingerprint registration cannot be done before travel and this would lessen the pressure at the border.

But think of the damage to the planet and simply don’t travel? Am mystified by the double standards surrounding net zero…. So I think visas or visa free travel should be secondary to why do you feel the need to not save the planet? Or something like that …..

Of course it's an excuse for a Brexit bashing session. Brexit was so pointlessly stupid it deserves to be bashed at every opportunity.

I don't expect to travel to every country in the world without experiencing some sort of border controls, but it's bloody annoying to have such controls reimposed as the result of said idiotic decision when for many years we have been able travel the EU freely, for as long as we liked, with nothing more than a valid passport.

Oldbat1

Jackiebackie

Why are Remoaners still so bitter. Get over yourselves.

I am extremely angry about leaving Europe. What exactly has it achieve? ZILCH! Give me just one positive. Please dont say about borders. I really really wish I qualified for Irish passport but sadly not. I just hope Scotland rejoins as do my children and grandchildren. Worst decision ever by those who voted leave.

Oldbat1, the person you should be angry with is Cameron, who knew full well what the full effects of Brexit would be, then walked away. It certainly hasn’t affected his smug face from wriggling back into high places.

Bamm

Freya5 I agree with you.
I do this every time I go to USA,
also an ESTA form. We should do similar, no big deal.

Thank you. On the face of it seems to be an excuse for another Brexit bashing exercise. Do they only travel to Europe, so have no experience of visas you need for many countries you want to visit.Not one of the people I know, leavers or remainers, give a hoot about this.

Freya5 I agree with you.
I do this every time I go to USA,
also an ESTA form. We should do similar, no big deal.

4allweknow

67€ tourist tax for 1 week stay (2 people) in Rhodes in June. 7€ for a 3 year cert is a bargain!

I think in the OPs haste to post another Brexit bashing thread 😴 she forgot to check that the tax is a bargain.

67€ tourist tax for 1 week stay (2 people) in Rhodes in June. 7€ for a 3 year cert is a bargain!

It's no big deal, it's the same as going to the USA, you have to have your finger prints done on entry too.
Think the UK should do the same thing.

Shouldn't GB be imposing the same on EU countries. Understand the certificate will apply for 3 years as long as passport is valid too. We haven't yet got to ID cards many EU countries have.

I didn't want a labour government, we had a vote and here we are with Labour which I accept. We had a vote about Brexit and left

David49

I voted remain, we are out and I will make the best of it, I do like touring Europe and will continue, buying anything from EU is pain now, exporting is also a pain for those that do, Dover port is a pain too. Last time I went out on the tunnel and back on the ferry that was better.

Realistically the best we can hope for is a customs deal

I agree

mulberry7

Didn't Norway leave the EU, or am I wrong?

mulberry7 Norway voted twice not to join the EU.

Cambia

Really don’t see the problem. We have to get visas to the US, Canada etc why not Europe? £7 is not a lot to pay if you can already afford to go…..basically one drink at the airport!

Quite.

We voted remain, however no difference to our travels.

Or our overall life in a broad sense, come to that.