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"Silly little sod"

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HildaW Sun 20-Nov-11 17:00:34

Sbagran....no you're not, I pretty much agree with all you say. At the risk of repeating myself, I feel a lot of it is down to the replacement of Arlene who often had differing opinions but they were based on her skills and background in dance. This often led to heated debates but they had some foundation. Nowadays, because Alesha is nothing more than a past contestant who was pretty good, the arguements are much more personality based and really rather artificial.

Sbagran Sat 19-Nov-11 22:55:16

I am not a prude either and agree with notso - I too was shocked at Len's attitude in what really should be a programme that you can safely watch with the kids. It was his aggression that shocked me rather than the word.
I thought I was alone in my dislike of the 'Blimey' in the advert too as, like you yoga I was taught 'Cor blimey' was 'Christ blind me' and that teaching stuck in my mind forever!
I agree with hildaw and nanachrissy too - I thought Len was rude and disrespectful to Craig, who is entitled to his opinion. All Len has to say, when it is his turn to speak, is that he disagrees!

Is it my imagination? I feel that in this series there is so much more aggression between the judges, staged or otherwise, and it is unnecessary. It also riles me when Craig only has to make one 'negative-ish' remark and the crowd drown everything out by booing etc. Yes, Craig could sometimes give his comments in a kinder way but on the whole I believe he is fair and at least he knows what he is talking about which is more than we can say for Aliesha.

Aren't I turning into a miserable old *************** !!! grin

HildaW Sat 19-Nov-11 16:59:49

True riclorian...I used to quite appreciate Len's opinions because he did seem to represent the traditional side of ballroom dance and that still has its place but he has become very inconsistant of late.

riclorian Sat 19-Nov-11 15:33:49

Not so much what was said but the way it was said !! To my mind it was quite spiteful and rude and totally unnecessary . As a retired but very experienced dancer I find that Craig speaks the truth , where as Len appears to have favourites and tends to 'toady ' too much . It is after all a dance competition and the only way to learn is through constructive criticism .
Having said that I like the fact that they keep on the 'Russellsand Annes ' for light entertainment !So come on Len ---- cut the rudeness and realise that other judges have a right to their own opinions .

HildaW Fri 18-Nov-11 18:20:17

I watched this 'incident' when it was aired and can honestly say was somewhat taken aback by it. Not because the language was bad but because it was sheer bad manners. Many children watch strictly and seeing a normally respected judge round on another one so abruptly was a bad example. If you disagree with someone just yelling at them is hardly a good way to go about it. I am not prudish and laugh like a drain when I'm watching Mock the week or Have I got news and certainly a well aimed 'F' word in an adult program does not offend me at all. Basically I agree with Nanachrissy, who said all this much more economically!

nanachrissy Fri 18-Nov-11 09:21:39

I'm not a fan of swearing, unless I drop something extremely heavy on my toe!! grin However, I thought Len was plain rude and disrespectful to Craig, who is entitled to his opinion, whether Len agrees or not.

susiecb Fri 18-Nov-11 09:11:07

I just hate these contrived rows done for PR purposes. I am just watching absolute power with stephen fry and john Bird which shows just how these media storms are staged. Hard to belive anything you see on TV or in the press.

bagitha Fri 18-Nov-11 07:56:38

Thanks for the explanation, notso. If 'sod' was used with a bit of temper behind it instrad of with humour, then it was rude or, rather, the person using it was rude. I still wouldn't "get offended" if someone called me something like that (or worse); I'd just dismiss them as a stupid git (not out loud!).

yogagran Thu 17-Nov-11 23:19:06

I hate the Confused.com advert where the cartoon character says "Blimey"
My Mum used to say that that was a prayer to God to blind you and that frightened me enough to never use it

Notsogrand Thu 17-Nov-11 18:05:17

When we were kids swear words were referred to as 'dangerous' words. Why were they dangerous? Because if you used them you had your legs slapped!

I don't think I'm a prude (not after 25 years of social work!) but I was bit shocked at Len's comment. He was quite cross and it was his attitude that felt out of order, rather than simply the word 'sod'.

bagitha Thu 17-Nov-11 17:28:13

I'm with you, nanapug, on both the swearing and the drinking fronts. As it happens, I don't swear much and this turned out to be a disadvantage for DD3 who, at the age of six, used the 'f' word to rhyme with 'muck'. She'd only ever heard it at school (other kids) and hadn't a clue what it meant but got a right rollicking from the classroom assistant. I suspect the actual teacher would have been calmer and would, moreover, probably have sussed the real situation. I still had to tell her what it meant because the classroom assistant didn't, and I had to explain that some people use it to be rude. I also explained that it is people who are rude, not words.

So, you're right, if 'sod' wasn't used rudely or offensively, it wasn't rude or offensive.

Annobel Thu 17-Nov-11 17:01:04

Sod can be short for sodomite...

numberplease Thu 17-Nov-11 16:44:36

Isn`t a sod a lump of earth? Some people are just toon prudish for words!

Annobel Thu 17-Nov-11 16:06:13

I am well aware that my GC are exposed to far worse language than that every day in the school playground. Even in my day, we heard language at school that our parents would never have used in front of us. It was ever thus.

nanapug Thu 17-Nov-11 15:44:56

Can't believe that 600 people have complained to the BBC that Len called Craig a "silly little sod", because it was before the watershed. Are people that prudish that something as mild and clearly jovial as that offends them. If he had used the "f" word I could perhaps understand (not that it would worry me!!) but really. Not sure children would even notice. I believe that, like drinking alcohol, a little exposure to these supposedly dreadful things at a young age helps children to cope with and use them sensibly. My children were exposed to mild swearing, and allowed the odd sip of wine (we have French relatives) from quite a young age, and now they are adult they neither swear (much!) or drink. It's the same with rude jokes. Either they are too young to understand and it goes over their head, or if they understand then it's too late. I believe it encourages children to be open and discuss issues with you if you are open with them and not embarrassed by things. It has worked with my kids anyway. Not saying I am right but would be interested to hear other's opinions. I feel most of us enjoy a bit of a naughty joke really.