Older people in the media awards - vote for your favourite

Robbie's case is about Individual choice v Council policies - he is vehemently opposed to going into Residential Care - the preferred option of the Council - and wants to die at home. Other elderly people make different choices. Many though want to live at home even if they need full time care. It is not about money or inheritance - Robbie has more than paid his way and will continue to do so - the Council agree he needs full time 7 days per week care but disregard the cost of his live in carer in financial assessments even though it is a Disability Related Expense.

Also please check the Care Act regarding Deferred Payments and living at home. Thank you

I too wonder about releasing equity on this gentleman's house. That seems a reasonable way to pay for the care needed.

I understand what Robbie would like to happen, but the council has limited resources and funds basic services. If someone wants to adapt what is offered they will have to pay. So my bin is emptied weekly but if I want big items or extra waste collected I will have to pay. It would be unreasonable of me to expect them to turn up, where and when I wanted them to, free of charge. I also do not want Robbie to be the older people's champion. He is entitled to express his views, but they are not mine. I hope when the time comes I will make my decisions taking into account the practicalities and the effects on the people around me.

That's ok - everyone is entitled to their views. Robbie has paid for all his live in care without support from Brent Council - to compare this issue with collecting bins is quite extraordinary.

It was the cost I compared, not the service. The money comes from the same source and is finite, so everything cannot be funded.

Trisher you are aloud your opinion and free speech, but we find you words very hard to take, Yes its Robbie own wish and mind to stay in the home has lived in for 50 years he has payed out of over 50k over his own money for the care he needs this money has run out. we brought Robbie story to world and i mean world that Brent Council had said no to funding his care. the offer of deferrd payment can only be used if the person leaves there home and enter a care home so that is none starter. also i would like to add that you seem hell bent on on sabotaging the awards reading you other updates. yes as i said it free speech, but if it had not for people like Robbie you may not have had the freedom you have today.

honourourforces - are you related to Robbie, and the poster MyDadRobbieClark?

Soontobe No not related at all to Robbie we support members and ex members of the Armed forces

I think the council should fund care at home for this gent at the same rate they would be willing to do so for care in a care home. And then the difference could be made up using equity release on the house. That's how it should be for everybody.

I wonder if this is the right place to have this discussion. You could start a thread about it, perhaps under 'Other Subjects'.

Is that Mirror article I linked to, totally wrong? Because it seems to be saying a deal has been struck with the council to fund the live-in care with the proviso that the money is repaid later out of proceeds from house sale.

Still don't see which category in the Awards this would come under.

Hi Jinglebells if they funded robbie to stay at home at the same rate as if in a care home that is all is being asked for, re the Mirror we atteded brent council to hand in a petition with robbie 188k signed. and meet was set up with the family by the time we returned to Robbie House Brent Council sent a press release saying everything was sorted it wasnt and and they miss-led the public and press. that ran the story.

if anyone wishes to follow Robbie story please follow @HONOUROURFORCES on Twitter

Oh dear me what a fuss. Firstly I didn't suggest the payment should be deferred (that was someone else) I did suggest that equity in the house could be used to pay for care. Money raised through Equity agreements can be used for any purpose whatsoever. Many people I know have had to sell their parent's houses to fund their care. If you don't understand council limited funds, and the commitments they have to honour, that is unfortunate. As far as the Awards go I'm not keen on them and I have said so, but I don't see how refusing to support someone is sabotage. In any case Robbie doesn't fulfil the criteria for either 2 or 3.
honourourforces ever heard of punctuation?

If you don't like the Awards why come on here to put other people down, and re the criteria that down to the Judges, i understand. did you also not note that Robbie has already paid £50k himself. and re the punctuation sorry for having dyslexia.... Now i will ask you have had your say and that is fare. and lets not drag this on and close the subject and let people make there own mind up about 97 year old WW2 Hero who stood up for freedom of speech.

honourourforces

I may well be an isolated case but to be frank I think you are not enhancing the nomination with your posts.

Are you officially a spokesperson for the 'organisation' if so what position do you hold within the 'honourourforces' organisation.

POGS Sorry for defending someone who i support and can i ask what i have said wrong

£50k wouldn't buy much care!! Questions about the equity remain. Apologies if you are dyslexic honourourforces, there are a number of programmes available for computers which could help with this. My son has dyslexia and has just completed an MA, he uses them.
If you want to close the thread stop posting
As you have said free speech means I am able to express my views on any matter, although you seem to believe I shouldn't be doing this.

I have read again the categories of the award in the original post.

They are -

1) Best older person’s character in a book, film, TV or radio drama – Robbie wouldn't fit in here. He is not in a book.

2) Everyday ageism hero - best marketing campaign or initiative that promotes ageing in a positive light. - Robbie is not a marketing campaign.

3) Best older person's champion in the media - high profile public figures or individuals who consistently bring an authoritative voice to the issues affecting older people. Robbie is not a high profile public figure.

He sounds like a person to admire, and it sounds as though he is having a hard time of it funding living as he would like in his old age, but he is not eligible for being put forward for this award - which is what this is all about.

I think MyDadRobbieClark and honourourforces should start again in a new thread - and it would be nice to know who is the "we" that honourourforces is talking about.

I don't think you have said anything wrong honourourforces, and punctuation is the last thing to be worried about on here. I think you have handled this perfectly well, and I wish Robbie all the luck in the world with his request to the council.

Shall we end this bit of the thread here, and get back to nominations? No point in everyone weighing in to put the boot in. (Although when did that stop Gransnetters? )

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Sorry jbf was it your turn?

honourourforces

I don't have any issues with what you are saying. I respect your take on the matter.

I am concerned that the way you are coming across is not particularly in line with my view of how an 'official spokesperson' for the official organisation Honour Our Heroes would post.

Are you an official spokesperson ? Organisations/Charities have to be very guarded as to who says what/does on their behalf and I am interested if this is official Honour Our Heroes contact for my own reasons.

It is a fair question if a poster uses the name of a recognised organisation not a personal name.

I nominate the character Frank Derrick in the book Frank Derrick's Holiday of a lifetime by JB Morrison.

A humerous look at old age through the eyes of Frank, who shows it is never too late to make the most of every day.

I'd like to nominate the article by Sir Muir Gray, Former Senior NHS Executive which appeared in the Mail Online today for the Best older person's champion in the media category:

www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-3184515/No-human-beings-not-shelf-life-healthy-nurse-took-life-old-age-not-fun-passionate-riposte.html

I found the article inspiring and I liked that it portrayed ageing in a positive light and as something that should be embraced and celebrated.

This is my favourite quote: "Older people should not be regarded as a burden but as a national asset, bursting with experience, ideas, wisdom and good humour."

Iris Apfel - American style guru in her early 90's. Still full of creativity and generous and loving to others.