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I don't believe that Eddie has rung Oliver. Why does Clarrie always gives in to Eddies stupid ideas instead of challenging him or ringing Caroline or Oliver herself.

Or should I be asking why SWs keep using these same old Grundy family disaster stories.

It sounded to me as if he had just asked Oliver if he minded them having people to stay now and then Merlot. Poor Clarrie. She is a good friend to Helen - and they need that at the moment.

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Thanks GG2 but not sure Jazzer would have been my choice for the biggest pecker

Nor mine LG . I have to take my hat off to the University of Sterling for this.

Thanks for the link GGMK2, that made me smile.

I never thought The Archers would drive me back to Aristotle's Poetics, which has been untouched on my shelves for some years, but I was so indignant at the way the script has treated Kirsty (now back and very fragile, I think) that I blew the dust off and had a look at what he says on tragedy. "A good man (he regards women as inferior and leaves them out of account) must not be shown as passing from happiness to misfortune; for that does not inspire pity or fear, but is an outrage upon our moral feeling." Which is how I felt about her miscarriage.

He then refers to the "intermediate sort of person, one who is not pre-eminently virtuous and just, one who incurs misfortune not as a result of vice or depravity, but by some error of judgement while enjoying great reputation and prosperity." Kirsty has been pre-eminently virtuous and just compared with most of the characters; she could not be accused of vice or depravity by our standards, and her only error of judgement lay in being too carelessly willing to celebrate Helen's acquittal with Tom. To descend from Aristotle to Gilbert and Sullivan, not only does her punishment fit the crime, but it is out of all proportion to it.

I don't think Aristotle would have approved of the editor and SWs.

Ooohh Lilian!!!!

Good for Jennifer. Lilian is behaving like an old slapper and Justin is using her.

I hope Miranda divorces him, cites Lilian and takes him to the cleaners.

More like a teenager I thought Merlot although these days the teens seem to have more sensible heads on their shoulders than Lilian is showing at the moment.

I thought the bit with Christine and Jill was well written and played though.

Jennifer has had her share of the need for discretion, with Brian's serial philandering, Kate as the nightmare daughter and so on. I suspect finding her older sister having * with the awful Justin was just too much for her to tolerate. Especially with her Party on the horizon, with Mrs Justin/Miranda as guest of honour. Jennifer may be an irritating snob but she's kind hearted and a great example of wives/mothers who just get on with life, no matter what is thrown their way. I enjoy Lilian's character but maybe she could follow her sister's example and behave herself a bit.

Arn't we being a tad sexist here. What's the male equivalent of a slapper? I think Justin's character behaving much worse than Lilian as he is deceiving the charming Miranda.

I'm not excusing Justin. I think he's a nasty, sleazy, unfaithful bastard who will drop Lilian in it at the first sign of trouble from (charming?) Miranda.

I still think Lilian is behaving like a desperate old slapper though.

Call me ageist but the image of Lillian who must be mid-70's and Justin (same?) being caught in flagrante is not an attractive one. Even on Radio

The sound effects were enough to scare the horses, Maw

I think some have forgotten that Jennifer isn't exactly a paragon of virtue! Didn't she have an affair with her ex husband?

I seem to think that his name was Roger, but that could just be an unfortunate error on my part!

Why didn't they use Lilian's bedroom? Why flap it all around in the living room?

Oh. Was it in the living room? Yuck. I was wondering why Jenny barged into Lilians bedroom.

I think you hear Jennifer running upstairs because she can hear a noise

Rather a good job Sam's mum didn't give Ruairi a lift home after all.

Did we really have to hear Justin pulling up his zip? [yuck]

Perhaps he was just zipping up his anorak? ?

Kinky! fiorentina. Do you think he was also wearing his wellies?

merlot - your post at 10.20 is perfect. I couldn't agree more with your summary of the awful Justin and the desperate Lilian.
phoenix, I don't see Jennifer as a paragon of virtue at all. I do feel she's done her best to be a fairly discreet desperado.
Poor Raurie, banished to boarding school for ever it seems, never given any lines at all during his very brief visits home and then the possibility that his friend Sam's mum could bring him home and come into the house calling "jennifer" as so many ordinary mother's would have done. Oh no, they'd say, I can't just drop you off Raurie, without making sure your mum knows you're home. Can you imagine, horror of horrors. Plus - the news would inevitably have made its way to Miranda and Jennifer's party would have been in real Trouble.

Where did Justin park his car, I wonder?

Is that a euphemism, merlotgran?