Celebrity Big Brother

India was sitting there waiting to be offended.

The rest of the housemates were having fun. India is one dreary moaney old cow. I hope she goes as she puts a real downer on the house with her one topic of conversation me, me, me. Its boring now.

I also noticed when Malika and the rest of the women in the bedroom were speaking they were saying the same thing. Ann remarked about her being obsessed.
I am fed up with her flouncing and diva like behaviour it's so boring now.

Sorry, but she's really annoyed me!?

India HAS to go. The snivelling bitch.

India , please SHUT UP

I like Anne because ,agree with her or not on some things, she doesn't try to please, is polite, has her principles and sticks with them, and she does have a sense of humour, I hope she isn't voted out early.

Quite right Devorgilla Ann has strong opinions and can explain them clearly (when given the chance!) and I enjoyed the conversation with Shane too. I hope she isn’t one of the first to leave.
India is not coming across well at all, eg Trying to have private conversations and signalling to others not to discuss things in front of other housemates.

rafichagran, I think we comment on Ann because she is a strong personality who will not be cowed into changing her mind. I also think she likes a good, well reasoned argument rather than a knee jerk reaction which you can get from others.
I enjoyed her exchange with Shane/Courtnay too. I think he is an intelligent and pleasant young man who knows not everyone will hold his views but at least likes you to defend yours reasonably. I think he was a bit surprised that Ann voted for gay rights and understood perfectly that for her it was about consenting adults, even if it did not sit easily with her beliefs. Something like the role of marriage in history and culture is much more controversial. I am sure we will hear more debates about it, and perhaps even the occasional hissy fit.

I notice all the posts on here and other forums, are mostly about Ann.
I have to say I really enjoyed the conversation between her and Courtnay/Shane. The conversation on both sides was very respectful, and not like some off the housemates that shout and scream for camera time.
I really like Coutnay/ Shane as well. I also feel if Ann is evicted early the programme will be poorer without her.

I did think the men in pain in child birth was in bad taste , not amusing.

I do think Anne has a sense of humour and I think we have seen glimpses of that. I just believe she sees certain issues as sacrosanct and I am inclined to agree with her about inflicting pain and honing in on someone's grief. True, they can opt out at any time but I think she believes they should never have been put in that position in the first place. It reminded me of the Milgram experiment in America post WWII. It was to try to understand why so many ordinary Germans turned against their neighbours and inflicted pain and even death. Disturbingly, a high percentage of the ordinary people asked to take part were prepared to inflict pain right to the point of death or watch the administrator do so. Incidentally, no human was harmed in the experiment but the volunteers did not know that.

^later to-day^ sorry.

I haven't watched last nights episode as yet so am off to do catch up layer to-day.

I wonder if India is comfortable as a woman , all that aggression and constantly defensive

I haven't watched BB for a couple of nights, the men had just entered the house when I last tuned in. I think the fact that it was advertised as "women only house" is a misnomer, it was the reason I tuned in and it seems this period was always intended to be brief.

Things may have moved on but I found India throughly objectionable and the ungracious in the way she refused to accept Amanda's apology like some sulky teenager, rather than a mature adult. A long while ago, back in the days when I probably last watched Big Brother, a Spanish transgender woman called Nadia was an overall winner. She won it on the basis that she had a winning personality and whilst, if I remember rightly, she talked about her personal issues around gender, she didn't bang on in the strident and very chippy way that India does. Society has now entered very choppy waters as far as trans gender is concerned and India isn't doing their cause any favours. Over on MN the consensus seems to be that the more vociferously she asserts she's a woman the more they see her as male. My personal opinion is she doesn't make a very realistic woman, there is more to being female than breasts, long painted nails and a load of slap. When she was drying her hair topless, she might well have exposed her newly acquired boobs, but at the same time photographed from behind physically she still has a male torso. Possibly the editing was unkind to her but thus far she comes across as very one dimensional, defined only as "I'm a woman don't dare misgender me" Just boring!

Anton du Beke said Anne had a great sense of humour , suppose like the rest of us she doesn't find some things amusing. Think how some found Bernard Manning funny, vile man.

Watching those 2 men trying to cry on Sunday's CBB made me want to cry too - I was so glad when it affected some of the other women in the same way!
Anne's total reluctance to watch the men in pain (during 'child birth') made me really think, because I found it amusing. But I came to the conclusion that it was only a game and they could remove themselves from the pain at any time. She was, I feel, taking it too seriously - like,it seems, she does everything in life. Chill out Anne, for goodness sake!

I think India is self obsessed, nasty and boring.
While I don't always agree with AW, I admire her for sticking up for what she believes in.

NO, AB, I don't think they know who is going in but the makers of CBB do and they are not above a mix destined to provoke controversial views and reactions. Part of the entertainment. I do think you have quoted some of the main reasons for people putting their name forward but most people like to defend their reasons for being what they are or thinking what they do and I don't think this group will be any different should the debate turn from the trite to the serious.

Is each housemate told who is going into the house ?

, I doubt anyone has gone in there in the hope of changing Widdies views, seems most reasons for going in are a flagging career, money or career is over, such as Wayne Sleep who no longer dances

Eloethan totally agree it was a definate case of "people in glass houses imo"
My DGS does tend to flounce off and bury his head under a blanket when he doesn't get his own way but he is 4 yrs old,enough said.

I think she only wants to talk about herself, is not showing any interest, well not much, in other topics, Courtney/Shane however, is coming across to me as rather articulate in his views, loved "well, he's just not into you" and is great fun to boot!

I'd never heard of India before but she doesn't come across very well. I can understand her being hurt by being "misgendered" but, in the first instance, I would give someone the benefit of the doubt and accept the apology graciously. I also thought it was quite interesting that she expressed quite negative views about drag queens, so presumably it didn't occur to her that her comments might make someone else feel belittled or uncomfortable.

Eloethan, as you state, AW does hold very strong views on certain issues. I looked up her record yesterday as I felt there had to be a reason why India was so unaccommodating. I see AW voted consistently against any reform in the areas that many of the inmates hold dear. I continue to watch as I want to see if these views ever get aired. I would bet money that they are in there to try to change AW's views, or at least provoke her to debate, but I think they are on a loser there - on the change of views that is. I think she is a lady who will fight her corner to the bitter end. I do muse over whether she will exit the house of her own free will at some stage.

Perhaps AW didn't want to risk a costume malfunction.

India is so agressive, I don't like her. Rather old for tantrums surely.

I was amused by Widdies bright orange nightie . Did miss the chats between the women , an interesting group , can't say the same about the men but they have only been there a very short time I suppose.