I also watched the documentaries recently in which she travelled across America. I didn’t have much time for her prior to this but she met people from all walks of life, rich and poor, and interacted well with all of them. She didn’t suffer fools gladly, especially over-privileged ones, and was at her best in very deprived areas and in a women’s prison. She showed genuine compassion to people who had been dealt a bad hand in life and she changed my opinion of her. I will definitely watch John Bishop’s interview if I can find it. I only have Freeview and not sure if I can get W but I will listen to the podcast, thanks for the link.