Prince Charles

niggly, I got it, I will hold a seance and ask Uncle Horace if queenie had an enema, surely patient confidentiality doesn’t go to the grave ? ?

Annep, you seem to have a lot of knowledge.? about something you detest,why torture yourself. Just accept equality does not or ever will truly exist.
I count my blessings everyday that I am lucky enough to have a roof over my head, food to eat & a computer to pontificate on, & it is hard to know that there are Still starving people in the world & to know that if I gave everything I own away it would help absolutely no one for longer than a blink of an eye. So I am glad that there are people who are better off than me & who can give & help more than I can. Who can provide jobs, who can use their position to help others no matter how limited that maybe.

Well Annie, that IS an option! But a letter, and perhaps?!! a reply?!!! Well, probably not but even so, I dare you!!!!!???

niggly, I would but think The Tower would be chilly this time of year. ?

Touche Annie!! I give in!!??

What on earth does it matter how Charlie came into the world and whether or not her maj had an enema? The fact remains that they are in this obscenely privileged position simply because of who they were born to .

The Queen and the Prince of Wales also both have their own personal supply of blood in their convoy in countries where a reliable source is questionable.
What a bloody brilliant idea!

I hope you didn't mean Wales, annep

To be quite honest, unless you are a very devout Christian, I don't imagine you examine your life and tick boxes as to whether you've obeyed the ten commandments or not.

I believe they provide a guide as to how a decent person should live, and I try to be a decent, honest person and I have, like most people, a conscience which guides me. but as humans we are fallible. Charles is fallible and although the defender of the faith title is the sovereign's, it has been accepted that Charles will defend various faiths. We are a tolerant society and Charles, being human, has made mistakes.

Don't we all make mistakes? Life is messy and the Royal family face the same personal dilemmas we all face. They don't always get it right.

For most of us, our short-comings and faults remain behind closed doors. The Windsors are under the microscope. Most feuding couples play their games away from the spotlight.

I think it's rather strange to want Charles to be a man without faults. He was wrong to hanker still after his dear friend (and lover) Camilla when he was married but he won't be the first man (or woman) to have a bit on the side, and he won't be the last, sadly.

I have been one of the many, many married women to have experienced this. It hurts. Charles hurt Diana, Diana in turn decided what was good for the goose was also good for the gander, and who can blame her?

They are/were humans, not high clergy. In many ways such scandal made the royals more human with the emergence of the paparazzi, having a field day at the expense of those in the public eye.

We have to move on. Royalty has to move with the times too.

So, How can the royal family help an accident of birth and what can they do about it?!

The scandal brought the paparazzi and she died This is the most tragic part of that time, she encouraged them, the posing on the diving board of the yacht after she told the press she would be there at that time. Then Paris , leaving the Ritz to play catch me if you can, and they certaintly did.

How many tourists would come to see a president and spend their money in the UK? People fly in from all over the globe for Royal events

Apparently, France with its rich history, former monarchy, lavish palaces and stately chateaus makes a mint from 'royal' tourism. More than the UK does, I believe. I read an article a while ago regarding France cashing in on its past. They do it without a monarchy, with a President at the helm.

The older I get the more I realise we really don't need the Windsors. They DO rely on us loving them in order to retain their position.

I don't want revolution but I do want the whole lavish shebang neutered.

1) Queen, 2) Charles, 3) William - and maybe 4) George, will take us a hundred years or so into the future, but really, will the fruit of little George's loin deserve the trappings of wealth and privilege that family enjoy?

Perhaps there has to be an end date, a limit - a bloodless revolution? We won't see it, but perhaps the powers that be should be planning for it?

she encouraged them, the posing on the diving board of the yacht after she told the press she would be there at that time

She was getting revenge. I don't blame her. Her husband didn't want, need her or cherish her.

Don't they say the best revenge is a life lived well?

Diana made sure the world knew the worm had turned and was carving out a life for herself.

Good for her! I'd have called every camera under the sun to come and film me enjoying myself if I had the power. Charles had his court, his stuffy sycophants, his mistress, his circle. His world was fine.

She smashed his comfort zone and me and every single woman who'd ever felt the hurt, rejection, pain, heartache, and self-confidence breaking pain of a husband whose heart was elsewhere cheered her on!

We don't marry to shut up, put up, suffer in silence. Why should we? My mother and her generation did but their daughters don't take being messed with as placidly. Nor should we.

I was hurting when Diana was hurting and I fully understand why she did what she did. It embarrassed the royal family, but didn't Charles start the ball rolling?

Ask any faithful wife but wronged woman about the anger and pain they felt when they discovered their husband didn't want them.

I loved it when Dians fought back. It's a shame it was so public. Her heart was probably breaking when she did it, but good for her!

Day6 her heart was breaking ? For whom? She said of w Barry Manakee ‘the greatest love I ever had , 1984 to 1986. She ‘adored’Hewitt 1986 - 1990 . James Gilby 1990 - 1991. Hasnet Khan 1995 - 1997, the love of her life

I am sorry you were so badly hurt, but surprised you applaud such pain being inflicted on other women

As for ‘revenge is a life lived well’ she died age 36

I am sorry you were so badly hurt, but surprised you applaud such pain being inflicted on other women

Oh not at all Annie.

Some other woman had a fling with my man. I hated my husband for going along with it. A man who strays is just as guilty of adultery as the woman who engages in an affair with a man she knows is married.

A man AND a woman are guilty of hurting another if they are married yet have affairs. Of course most hope they won't be found out.

Diana and her lovers hurt the other woman. Charles and his lover hurt Diana.

The games people play eh?

Thing is, some self control may go out of the window when you've been rejected. I think you have to have experienced it (maybe?) to understand.

I was hurt but I didn't have wild affairs all over the place to get back at my husband. I simply divorced him. We all behave differently, given our circumstances and opportunities, and disposition. I could make a case for Diana's behaviour. I was definitely on her side.

Camilla should have divorced her husband. Charles and Diana should have divorced when it became obvious the marriage was a sham. However, Charles was with Camilla as well, from the start. Hardly fair on his young, inexperienced, rather naive young wife?

They were stuck in the royal gilded cage in an age when every move was snapped by the press..They both handled their personal problems very badly imo.

Diana and her lovers hurt several women Day6.

No one knows when Charles started the affair ,there is only Diana’s word, could be true, could be it was a lie to cover her affairs, I think she found her marriage boring, she did lie before the wedding, she loved the countryside ,no she hated it, she was 100% a town girl. She had holidayed at Balmoral, was born in Sandrindham, she called the queen Aunt .
She knew all there was to know sbout the family, she played with Andrew and Edward.

She said how happy she and Charles were when she was having Harry, yet she threw herself down stairs when pregnant with William.

She was vengeful, to drop her charities because she lost her HRH, only the charities suffered.

So I can’t agree she was an innocent , hurt woman, she was ill and this is why I say the villain in this tragedy was Johnnie Spencer

GabriellaG what a generalisation! And its not accurate. Sounds pretty heartless.
Bridget how perceptive. I used to torture myself but I have decided not to let it stress me. But I do feel strongly about it.
Jalima sorry I don't get what you are saying.

It was a follow on to an earlier post from Anniebach:

I am thankful they have their own medical team, if Charles had an accident when staying in his farmhouse in Wales, the Heath Hospital in Cardiff would be in a tizz

The Queen and the Prince of Wales also both have their own personal supply of blood in their convoy in countries where a reliable source is questionable.

and I wondered if Wales was counted amongst those countries where a reliable source is questionable when I said:

I hope you didn't mean Wales, annep

As you were, sorry, it wasn't that funny

Good morning! I get it now Jalima. It is funny.? I'm not very good at getting jokes. Exciting day in N Ireland. We are having a Gransnet meetup!

Bridget I'm rereading your post. I too am thankful for what I have. I turn a watertap on and think how lucky I am to have clean water. And am glad when I hear of help that is given. Of course I am. The only thing I disagree on is that you say what you have would only help for the blink of an eye. I'm not suggesting you give everything away! But every little helps. When I put my contribution in the food bank container I always choose a treat ( rather than a value brand). It won't change the world but it will brighten someones life briefly. We can't all do big things. small things will do.

Charles and Diana's failed marriage should never have happened. It was those around them that arranged it for their own benefit treating them like 2 puppets. All her family, especially her sisters new about Charles and Camilla. You would have thought if they were acting in her best interest they would have told their very young sister before the engagement was announced.

How many more times are we going to rehash the Charles /Diana fiasco. There were faults all round and so much scheming by people around them we will never know the truth.
Move on, Charles & Camilla are working at their roles as are the two Princes.
I for one would not want to live my life constantly in the public eye despite all the trappings of a royal life. The Royal Family is slimming down and I think we shall see some changes as time goes on.

Oh, how I agree,*sodapop*.
The woman is dead.
Let her rest in peace instead of constantly recycling un-validated backstairs gossip, about all of them.

must say I agree about the gossiping.

Yet many will not move on, still refusal to accept Camilla should have the title ‘queen consort ‘