Archers Addicts.

Isn't it Ruth who has the Geordie accent? (I like it!)

Talking of Pat being welsh. She doesn't seem to acknowledge that Natasha is also welsh. Not like any welsh people I remember in my mother's family. There is no camaraderie on her behalf.

[FountainPen] I didn’t know this thread existed till today and think you are the “lead”. I have to say I am immensly entertained by all the input, especially your comments. Been an Archers listener for around 15 years.

I think Hannah will get involved at some point either to do some plain talking to Tom or in some kind of business capacity. Hannah and Jazzer were a non-starter romantically but they both know pigs. I can't imagine she's that happy working at HMP Porkhurst playing second fiddle to Neil. She stepped up when he was off with a bad back then had to step down again.

Grange Farm will be vacant soon when the Grundys move to The Green. Hannah is going to need somewhere to live. I can see her taking over Grange Farm and starting a pig venture with Jazzer. On the other hand, I don't think Neil has ever been happy at Porkhurst despite Susan's managerial ambitions for him. Maybe Hannah will take his job and Neil and Jazzer rear pigs at Grange Farm.

Pat is Welsh.

Oh god, I've been listening to the archers since ...195---something, none of it has changed I tend to omnibus, I do find some story lines very obvious even though the characters are obtuse. Helen and Rob nearly finished me...Pat..Helens mother is totally useless. Her Geordie accent drives me mad. Tune in soon for the next episode

Or perhaps Jazzer? Where will it go next????

The only one who seems to see through her is Johnny.

I think there is! I'm starting to wonder if the writers had wind of the new reforms to divorce law.

Ooerr! Could get messy! But surely there couldn't be two gaslighting/manipulative relationships in the same family?

Or could there.................??????

I had to go back and listen to the episode when Tom told Jazzer off for feeding the pigs too much. Later he and Natasha were talking about the history of his pig business:

Tom: The real reason I started the pigs was because of my brother, because that’s what he did. I was seventeen when he died and I suppose I felt …

Natasha: You owed it to him?

Tom: Kind of, yeah. Does that make sense?

Natasha: Course it does. It’s sweet.

Tom: And then I got properly interested in the whole thing, The sausage business and setting up my own brand. To me that was all inspiring.

Natasha: Still is, isnt it? That’s the legacy then, isn’t it? The inspiration. What you made of the business. That’s what your brother left you. How you moved it on. I’m proud of that.

To insist now that he didn’t tell her is simply wrong. She’s sounding like another gaslighter. A she-Rob. I’m wondering if the point of this storyline is for Pat to recognise in what is going on with Tom and Natasha, what she failed see with Helen and Rob.

Poor Pat! Natasha is horrid, and I don’t think much of Tom at the moment!

Coercion in Pat and Tony’s family again!

Natasha is a manipulative blameshifter, isn't she?

A question. Why doesn't cheesemaker Helen use the whey to make ricotta cheese?

Natasha is a manipulative....... devious piece of work?

OMG Tom how could you? How could you?

Oh LD you are spoiling it for me. Is TA not real?

I thought I recognised the voice of Leonard. It is Paul Copley. I didn't know his name but know him for one of the Great British actors who turn up regularly on TV dramas.

I was starting to worry about Jim rambling on and on to Leonard like that. He seemed calmer over coffee with Shula but surely this classics scholar would have asked for two (or even due) cappuccini not cappuccinos. I bet he would have done had he been having coffee with Lynda.

I think we all suspected that about Leonard, didn't we? Was that genuine or hysterical hooting we heard from Jill?

Oh yes, what I thought . I think I have forgotten Anisha already. As I get older names can be a problem.

"You was"????????? Jill was saying!

I said I thought the Sunday christening episode was dreadfully plotted and written. I have never liked Jill. She and Peggy are possibly my least favourite characters along with Kate, Alice and Lily Pargetter.

Yesterday, Cara Courage and Nicola Headlam from Academic Archers on Woman's Hour talking about how Ruth isn't a popular character but I like her. She's one of the few women in the drama who is a farmer in her own right as opposed to a farmer's wife.

I realise that FountainPen but I'm sure you was saying something on Sunday about wanting the christening to be perfect!

Lully. Both Xanthes or Zanthes are silent which explains why. Yes, Rex is Toby's older, steadier brother.

Neil had a lot of girlfriends in his day before a certain Susan Horrobin won a pig at the village fete, sealing his own fate forever. Before that Neil recruited Shula to help run the youth club, and she recruited him for the Young Conservatives which shows just how keen he was on her!

phoenix Both of Jill's daughters are going through difficult times so things are far from perfect. If Freddie has just broken the terms of his licence he could find himself back in prison which could tip Elizabeth over the edge.

You would think that at Jill's age she would have realised that things are very rarely "perfect"!