Honour on ITV

I don’t know whether this was a true portrayal or not, but I thought it worked in that it shone a light on the terrible crime and abuse suffered by some women, in this country, under the guise of “honour killings”.

Hopefully, the more publicity these horrific crimes against women are given, the less likely they will be able to be carried out, and indeed hidden, in the future.

I thought Keeley Hawes was excellent, because she showed her humanity, sadness and anger, and doggedness, which helped to bring the perpetrators to justice. I’m not sure how true this was but Id like to think so.

I remember Banaz story well.

The fact that Rahmet Suleman her partner killed himself some time later, played on my mind for some time.
I wasnt sure I could watch this, but i think it was quite brave and must have been difficult to tell the true story without prejudice.
Some ethnic groups were named as perpetrators of this kind of violence by the advocate/representative of the community.
I'm assuming this part of the dramatisation was true?

The police are culpable for failures in connecting the dots and sheer incompetence.
The communities who live by this doctrine are culpable of not valuing women's or girls lives, to the extent they are possessions to use at will.

Programs like this are necessary I think, to get the truth out there to as many people as possible.

I'm glad they included Rahmets story at the end if the program.

Just read your post greeneyedgirl .... more concise than mine

I think it must have been pretty close to the real events as Caroline Goode was the advisor to the drama.

You are right about the way that that the police appeared culpable, and missed so many opportunities to keep this girl alive Namsnanny.

Let’s hope many lessons, with regard to listening to women have been learned, from this, and many other cases. I am sure some forces have taken this on board, and women are treated with more dignity, respect and belief, than they were in the past.

Unfortunately it remains a sad fact that many rape cases still result in pitifully few convictions.

I find it odd that people think women can't be emotional and determined. The fact that she cried about things didn't mean that the police officer couldn't be dedicated to doing the job. As has been said the real detective was involved in the production so I should imagine she was happy with the depiction. I thought Keeley Hawes did it well and perhaps it was the emotional involvement that drove her on.

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Absolutely!!! I know that I would have been the same. I also know that given the resources I would have tracked them to the ends of the earth to bring them to court.

a slightly different issue but have you heard of the teaspoon campaign, to try to protect young girls who are being taken abroad by family for forced marriage.
i think it should be widely publicised in schools, but maybe not to the parents' generation.

karmanirvana.org.uk/when-is-a-spoon-not-just-a-spoon/

I hadn't heard of this, so Thank you welbeck for the link

It's about time that such brutality and violence was taken seriously.

Similarly, when girls in Rochdale and other areas were not taken seriously, regarding grooming and repeated violence against them, the crimes went on much longer than they should.

Institutions are were afraid. Individuals who go against the 'ethos' have a lot to loose.
If it wasnt for the social worker involved in the girls from Rochdale nothing would have been done.

Wow what an excellent idea re the teaspoons. Simple and easy to do. I agree about informing the young girls about this but not the older generation.

I watched this on catch up this week and though it excellent. It was a brave and accurate portrayal of the way in 'Honour' allows men in some communities to control or murder women who don't conform. I was pleased to see the Kurdish community worker deny being a "community leader" on the basis her status as a woman would never allow that.

As the real life officer, Caroline ? was involved in the production, its likely she'd have agreed to her character showing emotion. Ask any officer, or social worker, who has worked many similar situations and its likely one will stand out as the one where they wept. They may have wept in the car, or when home alone rather than in the presence of colleagues but there will also be occasions when those who can usually face terrible situations, find themselves overwhelmed. The Keeley Hawes character was dogged and determined. It was a complex investigation, she' have had to argue to keep it going, to have huge resources at a time when budgets were controlled by senior officers and the government was setting targets which were often focussed on burglary and car crime.

The real life officer did a wonderful job. I doubt she'd be moping about miserably the way Keeley Hawes did though. I'm sure she had despairing moments. She wouldn't have any control over how the director said Keeley had to perform.
The interpreter was well portrayed - sitting looking devastated after translating the phone call transcripts.
Yes I've certainly had some shocking moments in my career when I've had to just go and sit in my car to recover for a bit then collect myself and just 'keep buggering on' as Churchill used to say.

Jane10 - I agree that in RL weeping as often as the KH character did would have not enhanced career prospects and could well have resulted a referral to the Force counselling service.
Still, no bad thing to show that horrific cases do impact on the Police officers and other professionals involved. Often the impact is buried deep though.

It was a dramatisation Jane and not played out in real time. I don’t know why you are feeling it necessary to keep criticising her for the fact that she probably cried sometimes but given the years she spent on the case in total I doubt it affected her judgement, made people think less of her or shows her in a negative light.

Sigh. I'm not talking about the real policewoman. It's the actress I'm complaining about.

So Jane10 how do you think an actress should depict a woman police officer who is distressed? Actors can only do what the script requires them to. The script would have been looked at by the real police officer.

It's down to the director how an actor portrays what's in the script.

It depends very much on the director - some work much more collaboratively with their script writers, actors etc. Tgere isn’t one way to direct at all

There's an interview with the sister in the DM on line this morning.

Suziewoozie sigh.

Jane10

Suziewoozie sigh.

Ditto