Did Covid leak from a lab in China documentary Channel 4

Thanks Ro60, I'll try that.

Plot rather

Shandy I too had a slight job finding it. I typed the title into 'search' on the TV . The recording date was 30th August.
Hope this helps.

The l!it thickens .. Interesting to know what others think.

Google "Betteridge's law of headlines"

I did. I'm going to borrow that Petera

Shandy57

Did anyone else watch this on Sunday evening?

I'm just watching it again (hoping to avoid the graphic scenes this time) as I want to check the 'facts'. I see it is a series.

Google "Betteridge's law of headlines"

I searched for an episode 2 without success last night Ro60, where did you find it please?

I've watch half of the second episode - then the sound went.

In May 2019 WI V was doing tendering for biosafety equipment & renovation.
June 2019 'Analyse 10 important viruses and identify major pathogens from wild animals & risk assessments.'

Then after the covid outbreak say they didn't realise the risks!!?

Link to the US report if anyone wants to read it for themselves.
www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02366-0

If the virus had occurred naturally in a street market, I cannot see why the Chinese would have been so keen to cover up what had happened. I also cannot understand why they were so determined not tell the world for so long if it had occurred through a street market. I have felt right from the beginning that it was something to do with one of the two labs located in Wuhan. It’s highly coincidental that the virus started in Wuhan, right there in the very city which has two laboratories working on the coronavirus virus. It’s so coincidental that it’s actually not a coincidence.

Last week the Times did an in depth article about the start of the pandemic. One major factor was the influence that China has spent 10 developing over the WHO. Apparently they were stung by previous criticism. The article indicated this was responsible for the slow response and the initial report from the WHO that said it was of natural origin. A pandemic was not declared until march 18, when it was already in 18 countries. China has been determined to cover up the origin of the virus so the question has to be asked why?

I can't believe I forgot to watch it tonight! Will catch up tomorrow.

Deedaa, a few years ago my friend's son studied in China and was very concerned at the lack of health and safety - zero in some of the businesses he had to study. He was also concerned at the hours of work/pressure some people were working under. His apartment block had nets outside the windows because people 'jumped' so often. I do try not buy goods made in China since finding this out.

I haven't watched the programme but when DD had a chinese student working with her for a year she said the chinese girl was amazed to find that everyone wore a pair of gloves in the lab - at home they'd only been allowed one glove each. She also casually mentioned the time her hair fell out because of the radio active substances she was working with. It does seem that safety isn't as important to the chinese.

Me too Shandy

I see / heard on the car radio - the report Biden requested has been released - thankfully, I feel he's bowed out gracefully rather than cause hostile relations with China.

The 'furin cleavage' is very significant.

It could have been as simple as a humanised mouse not being handled with the right gloves, or biting a lab assistant, or escaping, couldn't it.

I'm looking forward to Sunday's episode.

It’s interesting that this could have been worked on for some time to alter its make up for variant and transmissibility so that we could be prepared for a pandemic, looks like whoever has caused rather than being prepared. It will be interesting to see the US findings which I think are imminently to be published. Whatever anyone says it may not prove anything.
The Chinese’s bio security at level 2 is despicable and you could debate is this ‘germ warfare’? Who knows ?

The 'furin cleavage site' seems to be what is causing the damage -it's linked to lung problems.

What I gained from the TV documentary was:
Research at the Wuhan Institute was conducted primarily at safety Level 2 - on the instruction of the Chinese government.
A Chinese scientist was recorded as saying they never did the research at Level 4.
Level 2 is equivalent to a dentist.

December 2020 Peter Daszek a scientist working in China at the institute puts out a message saying it's all a conspiracy.

China says they don't have live bats at the institute.

A promotional video by the institute shows bats in cages.

Wuhan Institute have patents for bat cages.

Next question: What is the intermedic species the virus passed from bats? Research carried out away from China after extensive research found only one: Humans.

This coronavirus had other anomalies - in its cell, it has a 'furin cleavage site' - in original SARS virus this is not there.

The WHO team in February chose Peter Daszek over 3 people the US put forward as the only American.

I keep an open mind on it but I do remember listening to this theory.

www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/mar/10/deadly-pig-disease-could-have-led-to-covid-spillover-to-humans-analysis-suggests

25Avelon 8.36 I remember.

Also I think another poster was called a racist for voicing exactly what is being said today, and her post deleted.

I guess it's a case of when facts change I change my mind

What Alegrias1 said (all 3 posts).

If you read "Spike. The Virus vs the People" by Jeremy Farrar (Director of the Wellcome Trust and a member of SAGE, so he knows what he is talking about) you will see why he now thinks that it was passed from bats to some other species to humans.

don't think !!

I am surprised by the fact that people don't thank this could have happened naturally. Transfer from animals to humans is a common way for diseases to start.

Warnings from 17 years ago that the wet markets are going to be a problem: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7112390/

Essentially I think the virus was leaked from one of the laboratories accidentally. That doesn’t mean that it couldn’t have been done on purpose, but realistically I don’t think it was done on purpose. The pictures shown of people working inside the laboratories without full PPE and of the faulty seals on the fridge doors show that security was lax. I have wondered about the possibility of the virus being man made as germ warfare, and I don’t think that can be excluded. The virus was being experimented on and we have to ask ourselves why. I don’t have any answers and since the Chinese are unwilling to even allow the WHO to investigate fully, I think it’s unlikely that we’ll ever know.

Oh, I don't disagree that China acted inexcusably by trying to cover up what was happening, and still are trying to thwart the investigation. But that isn't the same as actually creating the virus in the first place, or releasing it deliberately.

We console ourselves by thinking that this must have been man-made because not only does it give us the bad guy to blame, (China), it means we can stop it happening again.
To me the most important thing is that the virus wasn't contained effectively at the start and China did not inform the world soon enough what was happening. It's all on record with dates. So yes, that makes them 'the bad guy', no matter how the virus started.