Miriam Margoleys

Grantanow

Swearing is part of everyday life whether one likes it or not. Bernard Levin broke the duck on TV many years ago and I don't see why Radio is any different.

Kenneth Tynan was the first person to swear on tv.

I agree with Chesnut! A thoroughly obnoxious old bag!

Post of the day. ???

I don't find it particularly abhorrent.

It's a lot less unpleasant than, say, 'Naked Attraction', where men and women not only talk about what's in their pants, we get to see, should we choose to.

I find some of the things said in gransnet far more unpleasant, at times, and overall, far more damaging.
All the "worthy poor", blah blah blah, "Ooh, you're not like me and my privately educated family... blah blah blah"
"Oh, your parents must be uneducated because you don't know a parsing verb from a parsnip".
"People on benefits have the latest iPhones and acrylic nails"

I think opinions of that sort undermine cohesion in society, rather than a pensioners pants.

Chestnut

The argument is whether a man behaving like MM would be treated like a dirty monster for mentioning what goes on inside his pants and details of his sexual encounters.

So based on that argument, does that mean many posters on here think it would be acceptable for a man of any persuasion or dress to do what she does?
Just wondering.

He is a construct, so not particularly relevant. When he is in performance he's quite funny, but I can't say I've come across him for years.

I'm not saying that MM is offensive, a point which I think you may be missing - I'm saying that I don't particularly like her public persona (I don't know if that is her 'real' one or not).

I went “silent” as you put it Chestnut because posts were becoming so repetitive. Much more interesting is volver’s insightful post at 12.27 about power in our sexist society, and one with which I completely agree.

The argument is whether a man behaving like MM would be treated like a dirty monster for mentioning what goes on inside his pants and details of his sexual encounters.

At the risk of repeating myself ...

Look, if you can't follow the argument just say so. We'll understand.

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So irrelevant.

Wait. What? He's not real?? ?

Oh, my whole life is undermined! How could I have been so misled? ??

I know you know Mollygo
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Callistemon21

Mollygo
Sir Les Patterson? -nice side track there Volver dear.???
Just to say - he's not a real person

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Yes I know.

Mollygo

Sir Les Patterson? -nice side track there Volver dear.???

Just to say - he's not a real person

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Look, if you can't follow the argument just say so. We'll understand.

He was Australian as well.

Sir Les Patterson? -nice side track there Volver dear.???

Swearing is part of everyday life whether one likes it or not. Bernard Levin broke the duck on TV many years ago and I don't see why Radio is any different.

I loved dame Edna.
(Sir Les, not so much)

Les Patterson aka Dame Edna Everidge not my cup of tea.

Saw him live many years ago, only pleased I didn’t have to pay for the ticket, two and a half hours out of my life I can never get back.

I agree with you doodledog. I’m not really a fan of anyone, man or woman, using foul language or lewd behaviour in order to get attention. That’s on television or in real life. I don’t watch her any longer. If I see she’s on I avoid. I’ve seen enough of her in the past.

Doodledog

I am not a fan, but I don't like the assumption that anyone who doesn't like her public persona feels that way because she is a woman. I would feel the same about a farting bloke who kept making lewd comments on programmes about old people enjoying later life.

It's not about sexism, or about prudery - I just think that it comes across like a child pushing the boundaries to get attention, and that is not something that I find attractive.

Sir Les Patterson, for instance?

I am not a fan, but I don't like the assumption that anyone who doesn't like her public persona feels that way because she is a woman. I would feel the same about a farting bloke who kept making lewd comments on programmes about old people enjoying later life.

It's not about sexism, or about prudery - I just think that it comes across like a child pushing the boundaries to get attention, and that is not something that I find attractive.

Oh OK, what disgraceful behaviour is it which you object to so strongly?

I've been trying to spare some people embarrassment by having to explain that what is seen to be offensive is often to do with power. I would have thought that many people would have seen that, but no, ignorance is bliss, apparently.

Margolyes talking about sex the way she does holds up a mirror up to the sexist society in which we live, where it is men who have the power, not the women, Making the arguments "ooohhhh she wouldnt get away with it if she was a man" is missing the point. They've been getting away with it for centuries. The way she behaves is overturning mores. She's not daft.

This is my opinion. You may disagree.

Something like that, anyway.

I know what I meant.

Not quite so fast!

I don't see what there is to justify.

Has she abused anyone?
Beaten up a vulnerable person?

If her talking about her knickers and what went on in them, then it's not the worst thing, is it?