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Bea65 Thu 08-Dec-22 08:07:16

So have switched onto Netflix - wanted to see for myself what the 'fuss' is all about as many diverse opinions on this couple on here and other social platforms ...as well as the media with 'experts' who state this and that etc etc...

lemsip Thu 15-Dec-22 18:19:13

www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-11541915/Harry-Meghan-Oprah-stunned-small-size-Nottingham-Cottage-went-tea.html

oprah no doubt thought they would be straight into a Palace!

Smileless2012 Thu 15-Dec-22 18:21:19

It was a statement on behalf of the Queen or are we supposed to believe that a statement issued on behalf of the Queen, had no input from the Queen?

Smileless2012 Thu 15-Dec-22 18:24:16

Thank you Rosiesmile.

eazybee Thu 15-Dec-22 18:27:50

I don't agree, Lucca. Pupils with special needs, particularly older ones, should be educated in smaller groups, with lessons tailored to their needs which become more specific the older they get. This has been proved to be the most effective way of learning, and I cannot give you the names of the studies which investigated this as they were in the 1980s and 1990s but introducing TAs was a much cheaper way of dealing with the problem and the research was not implemented. Students become dependent on their TAs, and produce work that they cannot achieve independently.
And as for the training, I was involved in it before I retired and was not impressed.

Callistemon21 Thu 15-Dec-22 18:28:53

Rosie51

The statement was issued by Buckingham Palace on behalf of the Queen, not one of Charles' friends or staff.

It wouldn't have been issued without her approval, whoever coined the phrase.

It's destined to go down in history.
It's a very useful saying 🙂

tickingbird Thu 15-Dec-22 18:29:11

The press office. The press office composed it.

That's their job

Should read “issued by the press office”.

At the time there was a delay in response and it was reported that the Queen refused to sign off the initial statement as she wasn’t happy with it. Finally we had the official statement but the Queen had input and it wasn’t released until she was happy, so to say it wasn’t from the Queen isn’t correct.

MerylStreep Thu 15-Dec-22 18:30:49

Lemsip
I think Meghan might have tripped herself there. Something has cooled between them. Meghan wasn’t invited to Oprahs last birthday bash ( or Obamas 60th)
I don’t think she’ll be very happy at those comments being repeated.
If you upset one of the most powerful woman in the USA you might as well pack your bags 😄

volver Thu 15-Dec-22 18:34:44

tickingbird

^The press office. The press office composed it.^

That's their job

Should read “issued by the press office”.

At the time there was a delay in response and it was reported that the Queen refused to sign off the initial statement as she wasn’t happy with it. Finally we had the official statement but the Queen had input and it wasn’t released until she was happy, so to say it wasn’t from the Queen isn’t correct.

Aye, OK. Sounds perfectly plausible. Especially as "it was reported." Must be true.

volver Thu 15-Dec-22 18:37:41

Smileless2012

It was a statement on behalf of the Queen or are we supposed to believe that a statement issued on behalf of the Queen, had no input from the Queen?

I kinr of believe that the the Queen didn't write the press releases from the Palace, or come up with the wording. Others may disagree, I'm sure.

GagaJo Thu 15-Dec-22 18:38:14

Recollections of it may vary, Volver.

MerylStreep Thu 15-Dec-22 18:40:34

Volver
kinr surely not 😱

Smileless2012 Thu 15-Dec-22 18:45:10

Maybe the interview wasn't the success Oprah thought it would be. She's supposed to be good at what she does, but didn't seem to get any of her researchers to verify any of the claims.

volver Thu 15-Dec-22 18:45:58

Note to self; proof read better when posting from your phone.

Smileless2012 Thu 15-Dec-22 18:46:32

I don't believe the Palace would issue a statement on her behalf without her sanctioning it first. Pretty obvious to me.

volver Thu 15-Dec-22 19:10:06

An essay on the power of PR, by volver.

A post is made that says, Apart from the late Queen's brilliant response that "recollections may vary". The expectation might be that someone might draw the conclusion from that, that the Queen responded to something with the words "recollections may vary".

However, there is a press statement which says it is issued by Buckingham Palace on behalf of the Queen. I doubt sincerely if she signed off every press release they made. She was probably quite busy reigning, or something. But she may indeed have signed this one off, having read the first one and not liked it. For whatever reason.

But folklore now says that she used those words, personally, showing just what a wise old lady she was. And even if “you” don’t believe it, that’s the implication.

PR in action.

Rosie51 Thu 15-Dec-22 19:23:18

Are you saying she wouldn't have been capable of coming up with the phrase herself, she'd need someone else to do so? Bit condescending eh?

volver Thu 15-Dec-22 19:28:47

No Rosie51 that's not what I'm saying, now who's twisting words?

I'm saying that in large organisations, the CEO (here - the Queen) doesn't write the press releases and doesn't normally sign off on every single one.

Nice try though, Rosie51.

Daddima Thu 15-Dec-22 19:35:30

Chestnut

Daddima

Sorry, that was in reply to Chestnut’s post!

Slightly confused here. There are over 800 posts on this thread so I doubt many people have read every single one. Are you saying that the query about Archie's skin colour was made before they married and was not about his skin colour at all? I had never heard Princess Anne mentioned in relation to this. How do we know this wasn't another conversation altogether? Is Lady Colin Campbell a person renowned for accuracy? I do know she sits firmly on the RF side of the fence.

‘Lady C’ has a channel on You Tube. Now, I don’t know how reliable she is, but I do know she was talking about Diana’s eating disorder before anyone else mentioned it, and she also was one of the first to say that the Queen had bone cancer ( though that has never been confirmed). It was she who said the skin colour had been mentioned by M & H, though Princess Anne’s ‘concerns’ had been about the effect ‘cultural differences’ may have on any future children, not Archie specifically.

Glorianny Thu 15-Dec-22 19:41:40

eazybee

I don't agree, Lucca. Pupils with special needs, particularly older ones, should be educated in smaller groups, with lessons tailored to their needs which become more specific the older they get. This has been proved to be the most effective way of learning, and I cannot give you the names of the studies which investigated this as they were in the 1980s and 1990s but introducing TAs was a much cheaper way of dealing with the problem and the research was not implemented. Students become dependent on their TAs, and produce work that they cannot achieve independently.
And as for the training, I was involved in it before I retired and was not impressed.

I wasn't impressed with some of the in-service training I had as a teacher usually because it was delivered by people who were incompetent and ill informed. My DS (severely dyslexic) was probably one of the pupils who produced work with the help of a TA that he couldn't manage independently. And that was the whole point (and is the point for many neuro diverse children) they have something which restricts them reaching their true potential, the TA helps them by supplying a way of producing work at the level they would achieve without their disability. My DS now uses technology on the same basis and is highly successful

tickingbird Thu 15-Dec-22 19:49:27

I'm saying that in large organisations, the CEO (here - the Queen) doesn't write the press releases and doesn't normally sign off on every single one.

When the world is waiting for a response to an attack on that CEO’s family it’s perfectly reasonable that there’s going to be input personally in that statement.

So you’re wrong but nice try Volver

volver Thu 15-Dec-22 19:53:43

Aye, not wrong though.

People have such a bizarre and ill founded view of how the world works that it explains a lot of the hero-worship, I suppose.

I can understand that it would completely overturn someone's convictions if they thought the person to whom they ascribe near-divine status didn't actually write their own PR.

Rosie51 Thu 15-Dec-22 19:55:02

volver

No Rosie51 that's not what I'm saying, now who's twisting words?

I'm saying that in large organisations, the CEO (here - the Queen) doesn't write the press releases and doesn't normally sign off on every single one.

Nice try though, Rosie51.

Don't you acknowledge that with something as sensitive as alleged racial discrimination she would want/need to at least sign off on the release? You have indicated you don't accept they were her words, but were penned by the press office. Why so determined that she wasn't involved?
Still nice try once again. I didn't twist your words I asked a question, that you've half answered. Do you think the Queen could possibly have had that input into the statement? What you consider the norm in large organisations isn't necessarily written in stone for every single release.

Callistemon21 Thu 15-Dec-22 19:57:05

I can understand that it would completely overturn someone's convictions if they thought the person to whom they ascribe near-divine status didn't actually write their own PR

😂😂😂😂😂😂
Oh, please don't! 😂

volver Thu 15-Dec-22 20:04:57

Don't you acknowledge that with something as sensitive as alleged racial discrimination she would want/need to at least sign off on the release?
Yes - I already said that above.

You have indicated you don't accept they were her words, but were penned by the press office. Why so determined that she wasn't involved?
That is not what I said, you may wish to read my posts again.

Still nice try once again. I didn't twist your words I asked a question, that you've half answered.
What bit did I miss? I think I answered the accusation that I was being condescending to the late Queen because I thought she was incapable of coming up with those words. Because I didn't say that or anything like it.

Do you think the Queen could possibly have had that input into the statement? Once more, I suggest you read my posts again.

What you consider the norm in large organisations isn't necessarily written in stone for every single release. This is true. But CEO's don't write Press Releases. Ever.

tickingbird Thu 15-Dec-22 20:10:13

.^Volver ^

I understand it’s difficult for you to understand but in this instance you are wrong. Your bias is much in evidence.

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