well, here it is, Harry interview itv 9pm

Exactly Chestnut. He has broken away from his old life in which he had long standing friends. I would be circumspect about friendships, if any, forged since he moved away. Certainly either nobody counselled him against all these revelations, or he ignored them.

Yes Fanny, I agree. Would Meghan have liked that, maybe felt threatened by it?

FannyCornforth

OnwardandUpward

Certainly he used to look so happy photographed with W&K, they all seemed so natural together.

They really, really did.
Out of all of this debacle this is the thing that makes me question things the most.
There was an almost tangible bond between Harry and Kate.
You could see, over and over, that they loved each other’s company

It certainly does seem as though his whole outlook has changed beyond belief. How can someone turn on their family so much and say such awful things? If I were Charles or William I would be absolutely heartbroken. In fact I am really heartbroken for them. 😥

FWIW, I don't think your comment is out of order, GSM. I thought he looked haunted, and he has a history of substance abuse and MH problems. I'm not sure that it would take much to push him over the edge, and he has certainly laid himself open to a lot of criticism, whilst ensuring that his family is unlikely to be there to support him.

I wish he would get better therapy and lie low for a while without rekindling any arguments, but I'm guessing that's unlikely. I can't believe I wish anything, really - I'm normally not interested in the RF at all, but he seems so vulnerable.

And he just keeps going. On and on and on.
Interview after interview.
He must have almost driven himself mad writing the book, revisiting everything.
And now he is repeating it again. Over and over.

No wonder he can’t keep tabs on things.
I think that he has now got a rather fragile grip on reality and ‘his (and everyone else’s) truth’
I was shocked to be reminded just now that the Oprah interview was nearly two years ago.

His head must be scrambled.

I wouldn’t touch his therapist with a barge pole.
Like nadateturbe said, he needs help. Pronto

Thanks Doodledog. I appreciate that. I didn’t mean to cross a line. His eyes worried me last night. I hope he’s not continuing to take drugs, which like alcohol do not help beyond providing a brief escape from reality.

He just can’t let go. If he was my dh I’d be very worried.

Yep, I agree too Shep and Doodledog

I haven’t had a microscopic fraction of what Harry has gone / is going through, and I’ve had my wobbles.

I find it difficult to believe that we are the only ones who have contemplated this atrocious thought regarding Harry.

It’s the elephant in the room.
Poor Harry. Poor the lot of them.
It really is the strongest argument for a republic

volver
H is causing all sorts of ructions about the royal family.

The more the merrier, as far as I'm concerned

GSM’s comment isn’t despicable but yours is. It’s obvious to anyone with half a brain that Harry is in a bad way and isn’t getting the help he needs. You’re happy about that because you’re so full of loathing for the RF and happy to see him sacrificed on the altar of republicanism. Just despicable.

Thankfully you won’t get your wish vis a vis the downfall of the RF but Harry is a different matter. Shame on you.

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That was rather unkind volver.

Reporting who??

He has written a book outlining his drug taking and spoken on film saying the same. I don’t know who you’re reporting but you seem to be rattled by something volver.

Was it? Well, tough. This is a very unkind thread.

I agree completely with your last post FannyC.

It’s the opposite of unkind to express fears for someone’s welfare, surely?

Me, tickingbird.

volver

Was it? Well, tough. This is a very unkind thread.

Why’s that? Is it because you aren’t managing to dominate the discussion?

I suppose someone will arrive to support you soon enough!

I'm not a person who reports, normally. But this time I'm making an exception


You often tell us you are reporting other posters.

GSM.

Me, tickingbird..

Don’t worry GSM. True colours and all that. There was nothing wrong with your comment and there has been plenty regarding concern for Harry’s well-being.

Germanshepherdsmum

It’s the opposite of unkind to express fears for someone’s welfare, surely?

Well, I was worrying that these attacks could disturb the mental health of other members of the Royal Family.

It is a very unkind and damaging thing he is doing and it is not going to help him either.

So, unkind? I think Harry wins first prize for that.

Finally he might come first in something, he will be delighted.

OnwardandUpward

Calendargirl

Has Charles ever actually said he never loved Diana though?

I know there was the ‘whatever love is’ comment at their engagement, which must have been devastating for her to hear, but am sure he did have feelings for her.

How many of us have thought we ‘loved’ someone, only to realise there are different definitions of love?

I imagine when Charles was at Diana’s bedside, just after William was born, he felt he really loved her then.

Whether he still felt the same pull after the birth of Harry a couple of years later, who knows?

And yes, his heart probably always belonged to Camilla, but that doesn’t mean that in his own way he didn’t love the mother of his two children, at least in the early years.

Charles obviously had to have had an attraction to Diana in order to produce kids with her, he may have cared for her in the beginning as she was a pretty girl, sweet and innocent- but it doesn't mean he loved her or was willing to sacrifice for her, or be faithful long term. He always had Camilla on the back burner, waiting until his job of fathering kids was done, it seems.

Wearing her cufflinks on their honeymoon is an atrocious thing to do. She was always on his mind. That's love. Diana was used, sadly.

The cuff links were two Cs for Charles. Look at any cuff links with initials and there will be two of whatever the person’s initials are.

Charles Spencer wrote an article not long ago. When Harry brought Meghan to meet the family, prior to the engagement,
she complained loudly that the house was old and musty.

Harry tried to get the family to agree that Meghan was the reincarnation of his mother and they disagreed. It didn’t go well and his uncle also suggested they take a while to get to know each other better.

Well amazing how many GNers are experts on therapy, body language and mental health issues.
If Harry had grinned all the way through the interview he would have been criticised for not taking things seriously. Have a serious face and he can't be happy.
He stated very clearly why he has written Spare and made the documentary, so that he can move on. He may have said things that don't suit some peoples perceptions, his truth may not be someone else's. But anyone with any knowledge of people's experiences and how they report them will know that no two people see any event exactly the same. It's his life story, he has a right to tell it. And those people condemning him and trying to pretend they are concerned about him would do better confronting their own prejudices and consider what it is in them Harry has disturbed.

The cuff links were two Cs for Charles. Look at any cuff links with initials and there will be two of whatever the person’s initials are
So the fact that they were given to him by Camilla had no significance whatsoever? I bet even Charles didn't try that one!!

GSM. I don't think your remarks are beyond the pale. I too am very concerned about Harry's health.

He looks ill and exhausted. And yes I'm afraid he does look as if he is still self medicating.

He is isolated and alone. Yes probably self inflicted but even so the man desperately needs help and support. Clearly he's not getting it.

We don't use terms like "nervous breakdown" any more but I think if he continues to push himself with all these interviews etc then some kind of collapse is inevitable.

He needs rest, peace and quiet and proper psychiatric help, not Californian psychobabble. He needs people around him who actually care, not a bunch of self serving syphocants.