well, here it is, Harry interview itv 9pm

Now I don't know if it would be possible to use your hands to dig under a Banyan tree either?

I don’t think it would be easy. 🤔

volver

GB News Fanny With Dan Wooton.

Must be true. They wouldn't make things up.

OK, that in itself tarnishes the 'evidence'. That site of extreme-right wing, alternative facts.

GrannyGravy13

tickingbird

Current C of E practice is most definitely to bury babies, at whatever age they died.

Since when has this been the practice? My friend’s daughter lost a baby at 16 weeks and wasn’t given the choice of burial or any other means of disposal. It wasn’t offered.

My DiL miscarried 5 times, my darling sister 8 times neither were offered a burial for their babies, even the late term ones.

Here’s guidance from Tommy’s which explains what the process is.
www.tommys.org/baby-loss-support/miscarriage-information-and-support/frequently-asked-questions-about-miscarriage/what-happens-my-baby-after-miscarriage
In summary, if you have an early miscarriage in hospital you can either ask for the foetus and take it away, arrange a funeral director, ask for it to be included in a mass burial arranged by the hospital, or it will be disposed of with clinical waste by the hospital. Not all options are available at all hospitals - but it is entirely plausible that the Sussexes were able to arrange their own private burial - it’s not illegal for it not to be on consecrated ground either.
This is one element of Harry’s story that I think should not be queried however much people want to diss what he says, it’s private and he shouldn’t be expected to say more about it.

I query his claim that he dug with his bare hands.

It's no longer private now that it's been included in his memoirs; he'd made it public.

Fanny I've sent you a pm.

I thought I read in her very flowery way that she lost the foetus at home.
Not everyone goes to hospital with a miscarriage.
She said something along the lines of “ as I was putting my first born to bed I was aware of my second child draining from my body”
Not verbatim but the sense is there.
They could then have buried it in the garden.
As someone else said it would have to be very deep.
When I had my baby at home the midwife told my H to burn the placenta as burying it would have every dog for miles around rushing to dig it up.

GagaJo

volver

GB News Fanny With Dan Wooton.

Must be true. They wouldn't make things up.

OK, that in itself tarnishes the 'evidence'. That site of extreme-right wing, alternative facts.

Facts are facts full stop. You can’t have alternative facts, right or left wing. This shows deep prejudice on the part of the poster. If they are facts accept them regardless of the originator. If not facts repudiate them by showing they are wrong.

OK then. You can prove facts.

Proof that Doria was in prison?

Proof that she's a drug dealer?

Proof please, not someone just saying it in the media.

If not facts repudiate them by showing they are wrong.
You've got that the wrong way round. Nobody can just say something random then ask someone else to prove its wrong.

I can say that there is a flying spaghetti monster. Show me that's wrong.

Both Meghan's parents filed (at different times) for bankruptcy. It is likely that she went to live with her father because her mother couldn't afford to keep her.

All those speculating and questioning the burial of a foetus should be deeply ashamed of themselves. Ask yourself if you would have the same discussions about a dead baby, and then remember that, although it never drew breath, this was for a young couple a much wanted child.

Glorianny

Both Meghan's parents filed (at different times) for bankruptcy. It is likely that she went to live with her father because her mother couldn't afford to keep her.
Speculation is unkind, whatever the subject.

Glorianny

Both Meghan's parents filed (at different times) for bankruptcy. It is likely that she went to live with her father because her mother couldn't afford to keep her.

All those speculating and questioning the burial of a foetus should be deeply ashamed of themselves. Ask yourself if you would have the same discussions about a dead baby, and then remember that, although it never drew breath, this was for a young couple a much wanted child.

I’m not ashamed because if somebody puts deeply personal information in the public domain they will be expecting comments - especially when they are earning millions out of revealing their sadness.

Indeed, merlotgran. It’s the person who put such deeply personal information out there in the first place who should be ashamed.

Germanshepherdsmum

Indeed, merlotgran. It’s the person who put such deeply personal information out there in the first place who should be ashamed.

And I am still somewhat shocked at other people's personal information that Harry put in his book, eg. William's and Charles'. If it were the other way round, he would be "lawyering up" as they say in the US.

No shame here. He's made it public so it's being discussed. Having experienced a miscarriage I know what a dreadful thing it is and as I've said, it's the digging with his bare hands to bury the baby they lost that I find hard to believe.

All those speculating and questioning the burial of a foetus should be deeply ashamed of themselves. Ask yourself if you would have the same discussions about a dead baby, and then remember that, although it never drew breath, this was for a young couple a much wanted child

Absolutely not, it would be deeply private.

You have turned this about, Glorianny, surely it is not those who are discussing this who are the ones to be ashamed? Once this has been put into the public domain (and for profit too) then it is out there for anyone to comment on.

The comments would seem to infer that this should have been kept as a private matter between the couple and not something to share with the world, if indeed it was true. I believe it was but I am quite shocked that they would want to reveal it.

Yes Sparklefizz what does other peoples personal information have to do with H's memoirs unless of course he was traumatised when he saw/found out that his father practices yoga in his underwear.

volver

OK then. You can prove facts.

Proof that Doria was in prison?

Proof that she's a drug dealer?

Proof please, not someone just saying it in the media.

If not facts repudiate them by showing they are wrong.
You've got that the wrong way round. Nobody can just say something random then ask someone else to prove its wrong.

I can say that there is a flying spaghetti monster. Show me that's wrong.

Yes Volver you can prove facts.

You can check if Doris was in prison or not. There will be a record.

If it is claimed she was a drug dealer and there is no proof then it is an allegation or hearsay, not a fact.

I do not like someone saying a fact is not a fact because the originator is far right wing or even far left wing. If it is a fact it is a fact.

Yes, I’m sure he would Sparklefizz. I’m as shocked as you. He knows, though, that the RF won’t take legal action and relies on that.

annsixty

I thought I read in her very flowery way that she lost the foetus at home.
Not everyone goes to hospital with a miscarriage.
She said something along the lines of “ as I was putting my first born to bed I was aware of my second child draining from my body”
Not verbatim but the sense is there.
They could then have buried it in the garden.
As someone else said it would have to be very deep.
When I had my baby at home the midwife told my H to burn the placenta as burying it would have every dog for miles around rushing to dig it up.

I also thought Meghan miscarried at home after reading her account of what happened.

I had my second baby at home and the people in the cottage down the road said they guessed I’d just had it when they spotted DH getting a bonfire going with a can of petrol! 😂

Those were the days!

Volver it’s up to you to prove if there is a Flying Spaghetti Monster if you are claiming it is a fact. Are you?

Well obviously 25Avalon.

But if a media outlet is renowned for having a very right wing view and allow people to spout absolute rubbish as a matter of course, then its probity must be doubted.

Lots of people have checked prison records.

Guess what they found?

And no, I'm not posting proof because this discussion is disgusting. Accusing a woman of being a criminal for some reason, without any backup at all. Other than saying "oh, she could be."

25Avalon

Volver it’s up to you to prove if there is a Flying Spaghetti Monster if you are claiming it is a fact. Are you?

No, wait. What?

I can post something daft but I have to prove it. But others post something daft and I have to disprove it?

😕

That’s fine Volver, but what they are saying are not facts. Do you believe everything you read in the left wing press?

No Volver, if others post something daft, in your opinion might I add, then unless they state it is a fact it is just an opinion. If they state it’s a fact then it can be proven or disproven. Simples.