well, here it is, Harry interview itv 9pm

25Avalon

That’s fine Volver, but what they are saying are not facts. Do you believe everything you read in the left wing press?

No. I'm not a "believe", I'm a "sorter out of truth". (That makes me sound like a Guardian of the Galaxy. 🤣)

But some people certainly believe everything they read about "certain royals" if it fits their preconceptions.

25Avalon

No Volver, if others post something daft, in your opinion might I add, then unless they state it is a fact it is just an opinion. If they state it’s a fact then it can be proven or disproven. Simples.

Do you think that people should be posting opinions about things that are actually factual?

For instance, should people suggest on a TV channel that someone went to prison when they demonstrably didn't?

I just find the whole concept of speculation about the miscarriage and burial of the foetus wrong, and Harry giving his truth about what happened doesn’t make it okay for people who actually know nothing about what happened to put their spin on it and question what he said - , as my mum would say, two wrongs don’t make a right.

Sparklefizz

Germanshepherdsmum

Indeed, merlotgran. It’s the person who put such deeply personal information out there in the first place who should be ashamed.

And I am still somewhat shocked at other people's personal information that Harry put in his book, eg. William's and Charles'. If it were the other way round, he would be "lawyering up" as they say in the US.

... and sharing private text messages that have been hung on to for 3+ years.... for what purpose I would ask? Clearly all part of The Plan.

No Volver it is not right that someone should suggest Doris went to prison if she didn’t. I would imagine they could be sued for slander or even defamation of character. Similarly a lot of what Harry said and wrote is demonstrably untrue.

If someone states something is a fact then it can be called out. A fact is a fact as I keep saying.

There is a lot on here about Harry claiming to have buried his miscarried baby under a Banyan tree. We cannot know if this is true and therefore a fact or not. For all I know it is true. It can be claimed it can’t have been a Banyan tree as you couldn’t dig under it, but that doesn’t mean he didn’t bury the poor wee foetus. Maybe it wasn’t a Banyan tree and maybe he used a stainless steel spade but that doesn’t disprove the rest of the story.

Casdon

I just find the whole concept of speculation about the miscarriage and burial of the foetus wrong, and Harry giving his truth about what happened doesn’t make it okay for people who actually know nothing about what happened to put their spin on it and question what he said - , as my mum would say, two wrongs don’t make a right.

as my mum would say, two wrongs don’t make a right.

Casdon I can hear my mother saying the same thing about this whole spectacle!

As well as "Least said, soonest mended".

Callistemon21

Casdon

I just find the whole concept of speculation about the miscarriage and burial of the foetus wrong, and Harry giving his truth about what happened doesn’t make it okay for people who actually know nothing about what happened to put their spin on it and question what he said - , as my mum would say, two wrongs don’t make a right.

as my mum would say, two wrongs don’t make a right.

Casdon I can hear my mother saying the same thing about this whole spectacle!

As well as "Least said, soonest mended".

least said soonest mended is equally apt I think - or at least, least said in public - everybody judges and nobody knows. It’s just a very sad situation.

There is another stance you can take rather than questioning or rubbishing everything in the book and that is. It's his story he's entitled to tell it. Then let go of all the faux offence, stop imagining if it's possible or right and realise it really doesn't matter.

I find some things he has said offensive Glorianny. No ‘faux’ about it. Fine to tell one’s own story but not fine to make some of the accusations he’s made against people he knows won’t have their lawyer on speed dial in the way H and M seem to.

Germanshepherdsmum

I find some things he has said offensive Glorianny. No ‘faux’ about it. Fine to tell one’s own story but not fine to make some of the accusations he’s made against people he knows won’t have their lawyer on speed dial in the way H and M seem to.

Indeed.

I also note 'some people' are offended by different things to me. I have no idea what much of the upset is about reading much of this drivel.

The chessmen "kills" is very disturbing, to me. The miscarriage, is for me private. Circumcisions are long over and normal, no big reveal, but why?

He doesn't care for the way his parents behaved? They behaved in what seems a horrid manner. Perhaps the King needs to proffer an apology.

I was not happy my parents valued uni for sons and marriage for daughters - but they did. I'm a product of that sexist upbringing, they gave honest apology when we talked (much later). They evolved, good enough.

Move along H, you said what you needed to say.

The chessmen "kills" is very disturbing, to me.

Have you read it?

I mean actually read it, not what the press are saying about it?

volver

^The chessmen "kills" is very disturbing, to me.^

Have you read it?

I mean actually read it, not what the press are saying about it?

Yes. I looked for a direct book quote, read it, after I read it here.

I didn't like the word 'chessmen'. His military actions had been noted prior. It was for me, perhaps his words would put people in danger.

Mollygo

But that could be the next tragedy. If Meghan wants out, what about custody of the children?
With a father with MH problems who wants no part of the RF firm, and has moved abroad, away from the family who he thinks has harmed him, or with a mother whose 3 claims to fame are acting, marrying the ‘ Spare’ and giving interviews about how she feels she has been treated.

I guess it may matter which country they are residing in at the time?

He has admitted to drug taking to the age of 36 too.

I imagine though, they would have books' worth of dirt on each other lined up. And filmed.

The misleading picture of the Banyan tree has to be countered. It would be quite possible to bury something under the spreading Banyan tree without going anywhere near the trunk. The shade it casts is very wide.

If you google Banyan tree root structure, you'll see why it may be tricky. Probably not impossible but bare hands as the book suggests may have been impossible to dig deep enough to decently bury your baby. Given the other inaccuracy, its possible there may be more inaccuracies.

It’s a very sad episode and whilst H might be happy to share such private details, many women who were not offered the opportunity to bury a miscarried baby may find it opens old wounds and is deeply upsetting. What H may find cathartic may be very painful for others who have had similar experiences.

Glorianny

The misleading picture of the Banyan tree has to be countered. It would be quite possible to bury something under the spreading Banyan tree without going anywhere near the trunk. The shade it casts is very wide.

The larger the crown of a tree, the greater the root spread.

Banyans have aerial roots and their growth increases when their drop reaches the ground.

Anyone who has attempted to underplant a large tree knows how difficult it is so burying something deeply with bare hands could be a challenge.

here is an extract from harry's book

He goes on: 'My penis was oscillating between extremely sensitive and borderline traumatised. The last place I wanted to be frostbitten..

'I'd been trying some home remedies, including one recommended by a friend. She'd urged me to apply Elizabeth Arden cream.

'"My mum used to use that on her lips. You want me to put that on my todger..."'

Harry goes on to describe his 'todger' as 'softened' by the cream.'

Harry also secretly visited a Harley Street doctor, after fearing he may have to undergo a partial penectomy - a removal of part of the penis.

But the medic told the Prince, the 'most feasible cure was time', he wrote. book.

Well that was edifying.

Makes ‘tampongate’ sound quite tame.

Good grief lemsip, what did you think that extract would add to this thread?

It demonstrated that he is really self obsessed and has no sense of appropriateness. Bill Turnbull, talking about prostate cancer helped many men to be more aware of the signs.
To be fair, perhaps Harry thinks he’s reassuring the millions? of men with possible frostbite in this extremely cold weather!

I think it's to show what a prat he actually is, he's embarrassing.

volver

For instance, should people suggest on a TV channel that someone went to prison when they demonstrably didn't?

Late reply as been out most of the day. However, I’ll just say Tom Bower didn’t say Doria had been in prison. You assume too much. She was missing for many years and as TB said on national tv she sold drugs. You can’t say she demonstrably didn’t go to prison because you don’t know.

Re the penis, I posted on another thread that DD is currently reading the book and it is a complete mixture of jumbled up stuff from one extreme to the other. I think even Harry chuckled in his interview, something like, "we've made a giant leap from sorrow and grief, to talking about my todger." Well he said it!