The day the Queen died.

Glorianny

rowyn

Glorianny

Anniebach

Glorianny you compared The Princess of Wales with a 1950’s housewife. You admire Megan highly

Don't "admire" either of them. I just find it offensive that the only acceptable role for a woman in the RF is to walk behind her husband and smile sweetly. It's the 21st century. Women mean more than that.

Mmmm..bit puzzled by this statement. Didn't our late Queen take the lead for 70 years? And has Princess Anne ever walked behind her husband, smiling sweetly???????

No but they didn't marry in did they?
Women who marry in are expected to conform.

As are men who marry in. Why are you making a feminist argument of this?

She could not be trusted not to make things up. I hope they now insist that every interaction with her is taped and filmed!

Casdon

Glorianny

rowyn

Glorianny

Anniebach

Glorianny you compared The Princess of Wales with a 1950’s housewife. You admire Megan highly

Don't "admire" either of them. I just find it offensive that the only acceptable role for a woman in the RF is to walk behind her husband and smile sweetly. It's the 21st century. Women mean more than that.

Mmmm..bit puzzled by this statement. Didn't our late Queen take the lead for 70 years? And has Princess Anne ever walked behind her husband, smiling sweetly???????

No but they didn't marry in did they?
Women who marry in are expected to conform.

As are men who marry in. Why are you making a feminist argument of this?

Because there is a feminist argument to be made.
Look at the women who haven't made it in the RF.
By the men do you mean Prince Philip? Notorious for saying the wrong thing, having a very active social life and generally doing what he wanted most of the time.
Tell me one woman who married in and did that.

The thread is about the day our Monarch of 70 years died and you are trying to turn it into an argument about feminism and your ideas of what that means, Glorianny.

Perhaps a different thread might be appropriate.

Fergie was accepted in the royal family, untill she enjoyed having her toes sucked , surely not acceptable in any family

Sophie accepted

Sorry wrong thread

Callistemon21

The thread is about the day our Monarch of 70 years died and you are trying to turn it into an argument about feminism and your ideas of what that means, Glorianny.

Perhaps a different thread might be appropriate.

I'm not trying to turn it into anything. I posted an opinion. People could ignore it they chose instead to challenge it. I'm entitled to reply I assume?

Glorianny

Callistemon21

The thread is about the day our Monarch of 70 years died and you are trying to turn it into an argument about feminism and your ideas of what that means, Glorianny.

Perhaps a different thread might be appropriate.

I'm not trying to turn it into anything. I posted an opinion. People could ignore it they chose instead to challenge it. I'm entitled to reply I assume?

People could ignore it they chose instead to challenge it.
You're right, it was probably better ignored.

Are you saying your opinion shouldn’t be challenged Glorianny? If you are, why do you constantly challenge other people?
I have no desire to have more air time on the Duchess of Sussex, but pushing a feminist agenda without first thinking through your argument doesn’t help your cause. The point I was making was that anybody who marries into the royal family is subject to the same rules of etiquette, male or female. And no, I wasn’t specifically referring to Prince Philip, I was referring to all the husbands of royals.

Don't understand this wrangle
The Royal Family are what they are and if you marry in you know what to expect
Whether the whole institution should be reformed or abolished is another topic. Personally I feel there are too many hangers on getting vast sums of money
And I think Meghan has 'tacky trouble-maker' written all over her.
I did feel sorry for the late Queen who did a difficult job to perfection during the whole of my life, and I think she had the right to have those she wanted close to her at the end.

undines

Don't understand this wrangle
The Royal Family are what they are and if you marry in you know what to expect
Whether the whole institution should be reformed or abolished is another topic. Personally I feel there are too many hangers on getting vast sums of money
And I think Meghan has 'tacky trouble-maker' written all over her.
I did feel sorry for the late Queen who did a difficult job to perfection during the whole of my life, and I think she had the right to have those she wanted close to her at the end.

Personally I feel there are too many hangers on getting vast sums of money

Could you elaborate please, undines?
Who is getting vast sums of money?
And where from, exactly?

Casdon

Are you saying your opinion shouldn’t be challenged Glorianny? If you are, why do you constantly challenge other people?
I have no desire to have more air time on the Duchess of Sussex, but pushing a feminist agenda without first thinking through your argument doesn’t help your cause. The point I was making was that anybody who marries into the royal family is subject to the same rules of etiquette, male or female. And no, I wasn’t specifically referring to Prince Philip, I was referring to all the husbands of royals.

I'm not saying that at all. Just wondering why it is seen as my fault a thread is wandering (as all threads do).
I've thought it through
If you can think of a male who married into the RF and towed the line please post them.
As for the women who didn't
Diana, Fergie and Meghan (who left the family and took Harry with her) all didn't fit the mould

The Queen died after a long privileged life. Sad for her family.
Unlike my mum and probably yours she worked hard and still ended up only getting CHC when past knowing.
This preoccupation with the health of an outdated outpost of the class society is frightening given the state of our nhs.
No wonder we’ve walked into this nightmare.
Oh for an elected republic and then they’d just be subject of hello magazine-UGH!
Instead of costing a fortune and keeping real news out of the papers/ news.

It's not just marrying into a family, though, is it Glotianny.

It's marrying into The Firm too and all that entails.

We don't really know what goes on in the family behind closed doors either, only what some staff have reported when they sell their lurid stories to the highest bidder.
Some people even believe the Crown is true 😁

Sorry Glorianny!

Callistemon21

It's not just marrying into a family, though, is it Glotianny.

It's marrying into The Firm too and all that entails.

We don't really know what goes on in the family behind closed doors either, only what some staff have reported when they sell their lurid stories to the highest bidder.
Some people even believe the Crown is true 😁

But I'm not really interested in what goes on behind closed doors. I do find it interesting that the men who marry into the RF retain careers or independent lives whereas the women don't. (and if you doubt this look into the careers of Princess Anne's husbands). The only real options for them being charity work and public appearances, and those being limited to ones considered acceptable to The Firm's public image. Unless they leave the Firm- so Diana adopted Aids and Land Mines both considered a bit radical at the time.
Other RFs have family members who have proper jobs.

Siblings- Charles, Anne, Andrew, Edward

William, Harry

5 to 1 , very weak argument

I sometimes think people have too many expectations on the royal family

Not only does that mean those who go against those expectations are ostracised and verbally stoned by an angry public...

It also means many royal family members are so constrained by image they may as well live in a cage so people can pay to "oooh" at them because they have nothing natural about their lives at all

Glorianny

Callistemon21

It's not just marrying into a family, though, is it Glotianny.

It's marrying into The Firm too and all that entails.

We don't really know what goes on in the family behind closed doors either, only what some staff have reported when they sell their lurid stories to the highest bidder.
Some people even believe the Crown is true 😁

But I'm not really interested in what goes on behind closed doors. I do find it interesting that the men who marry into the RF retain careers or independent lives whereas the women don't. (and if you doubt this look into the careers of Princess Anne's husbands). The only real options for them being charity work and public appearances, and those being limited to ones considered acceptable to The Firm's public image. Unless they leave the Firm- so Diana adopted Aids and Land Mines both considered a bit radical at the time.
Other RFs have family members who have proper jobs.

What you seem to be interested in is twisting the truth to make it fit your reality though Glorianny.
You introduced feminism into a thread which was not about that. You have convinced yourself that women entering the royal family are somehow meek victims of the system, but don’t acknowledge that being part of the system means you have to behave by the etiquette rules rather than that you can’t have a career. The same applies to the men. The most senior royals have a choice to be a working royal or not. What really surprises me as that as a feminist you don’t support a woman’s wish to remain at home to care for her children whilst they are young if she chooses to do so, never mind that working royals all have a job to do so pursuing a separate career is not possible.

What an example, Diana was struggling with mental illness ,
Fergie should have kept her toes in her shoes, Megan a stranger
to truth

Well, this thread has taken a different and unheard of path...
Not!

Casdon

Glorianny

Callistemon21

It's not just marrying into a family, though, is it Glotianny.

It's marrying into The Firm too and all that entails.

We don't really know what goes on in the family behind closed doors either, only what some staff have reported when they sell their lurid stories to the highest bidder.
Some people even believe the Crown is true 😁

But I'm not really interested in what goes on behind closed doors. I do find it interesting that the men who marry into the RF retain careers or independent lives whereas the women don't. (and if you doubt this look into the careers of Princess Anne's husbands). The only real options for them being charity work and public appearances, and those being limited to ones considered acceptable to The Firm's public image. Unless they leave the Firm- so Diana adopted Aids and Land Mines both considered a bit radical at the time.
Other RFs have family members who have proper jobs.

What you seem to be interested in is twisting the truth to make it fit your reality though Glorianny.
You introduced feminism into a thread which was not about that. You have convinced yourself that women entering the royal family are somehow meek victims of the system, but don’t acknowledge that being part of the system means you have to behave by the etiquette rules rather than that you can’t have a career. The same applies to the men. The most senior royals have a choice to be a working royal or not. What really surprises me as that as a feminist you don’t support a woman’s wish to remain at home to care for her children whilst they are young if she chooses to do so, never mind that working royals all have a job to do so pursuing a separate career is not possible.

Of course a woman can stay at home and look after her family. Isn't that exactly what Meghan is doing? Could she have done that in the RF? She didn't think so.
Men may abide by the etiquette rules but have careers.
I'm still waiting for a man who didn't, except for Philip who adapted the rules to suit himself. Your argument seems to be that I am twisting the truth but you appear to be unable to support your own theories with examples.

Megan said she left the U.K. because she wasn’t allowed to stay home to look after her children ?

Best give up Glorianny

Who is this Megan you keep referring to * Anniebach*?

Harry’s wife