THE PUSH on Channel 4

I'd like to know how the programme was filmed ... did everyone agree to be filmed in Court (surprised the Defendant did, if that's the case). Also how did Channel 4 know to show earlier text messages etc ... Not sure of the thinking or planning behind it is what I'm trying (clumsily) to say. There was another one a few weeks ago and I thought the same.

utterbliss

I so agree with you MOORLIKEIT and PRIMROSE 53.

Thanks utterbliss and moorlikeit

I have had several PMs saying the same as you and regretting they dare not say so on this forum. That’s a shame if they feel scared to say how they feel. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and in this case I know my opinion is 100% correct.

I used to interview women and young girls who were only allowed outside the house to earn money and they were escorted to and from work by family members so they would not get any Western ideas. Many weren’t even allowed to do that and worked from home and a van driver collected their completed work and their kids dealt with the handover so the women did not come into contact with a Western man.
That is absolute control and is still going on sadly.

Primrose53

utterbliss

I so agree with you MOORLIKEIT and PRIMROSE 53.

Thanks utterbliss and moorlikeit

I have had several PMs saying the same as you and regretting they dare not say so on this forum. That’s a shame if they feel scared to say how they feel. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and in this case I know my opinion is 100% correct.

I used to interview women and young girls who were only allowed outside the house to earn money and they were escorted to and from work by family members so they would not get any Western ideas. Many weren’t even allowed to do that and worked from home and a van driver collected their completed work and their kids dealt with the handover so the women did not come into contact with a Western man.
That is absolute control and is still going on sadly.

We had exactly the same with a young girl on a psychiatric ward. Both she and her mother had psychiatric problems.. Her father had arranged a marriage to a much older man and she became very unwell. But at every care meeting she was unable to speak because her father and brothers did so on her behalf.. there was nothing we could do.. she eventually left with some medication and no follow up

pascal30 That bears out what the campaigner and ex police detective Maggie Oliver keeps repeating. Unless this is all brought out into the open, it will continue. It is no good pretending it’s not going on, it’s no good ignoring the ethnicity of these groomers and brushing it under the carpet.

She now runs The Maggie Oliver Foundation and will not be silenced. If anybody deserves an award, she definitely does.
When the media refused to say that these crimes were being committed mainly by men from other cultures she did everything she could to make people listen.

Hi Dickens, I liked your post. How, though, do men from other cultures be forced to respect the way of life of this country? Not meant to be inflammatory, but just curious!

I haven't seen this, but the comment descriptions show it's been well produced, and many of the problems aired.

Sadly the term 'culture' seems very odd if attached to Islam, which if you consider it carefully, is a stone-age faith that's still trying to inflict on present-day society the age-old 'values' (?!) in which females are 3rd-class citizens, subject to all the demeaning and controlling behaviours that 7th century people took for granted. Anyone in doubt (still?!!) should look at the wretched Afghanistan, and see what the Taliban have been doing to return it to the stone-age since the more enlightened western influence got forced out? Neanderthals with guns and mobile phones, perhaps?

Someone - possibly BlueBelle - mentioned that white women get killed by white men here too (and in the States, and right across the western world). BUT ALSO - please don't forget, this happens EVERYWHERE, right round the 3rd-world too, and of course, right round the planet, men murder each other. We still see news, often from London, but occasionally other big cities, of the gruesome stabbing murders, invariably committed by let's call it an ethnic minority, with the victim usually from that ethnic minority, or sometimes a different one. All part and parcel of their 'culture', it seems.

If you visit London, Brum, or other candidate cities and towns, you can see plenty of women dressed up (or down?) in the Niqab, Burka or Chador uniform, besides the Hijab (headscarf) which women are obliged to wear at the least. Oddly, very few Muslim men seem to be forced to wear a uniform?

I can pick holes in all religions, but Islam is especially easy to criticise for its sexist customs. We're used to women worshipping freely in churches, and the CofE permitted female clergy 30 years ago (they've a few bishops now I gather). Somehow I doubt you'll see many women worshipping with men in a mosque, and the chances of a female Imam are I guess a tad remote for a year or two?

Anyone wishing to defend that 'culture' should perhaps check the rape stats in Pakistan, and the history of arson attacks and murders against the Christian minority there, and against the Coptic Christians in Egypt (who far predate Islam, of course). I know of some women who've been here for decades, but can still speak barely a word of English, and only go out if chaperoned. You could speculate that most zoo animals have a better life?

I am getting better very slowly. I just cannot watch programmes like the Push I just sit and cry for women coerced by such cultural values. Hopefully in future generations we may see differences. Female equality in every filed was the goal of feminism. Suzanne Morre carries the flag for us. I support the cause of female equality until I die. I note no messages from WWM nor others who surely must be feminists. Thank you for telling me about this programme. Why can’t Channel 4 give us programmes showing just how successful Women of different faiths can be. Women need encouragement.

DrWatson very true what you say about women being made to wear certain clothes and men whatever they like.

Go to any large city centre park on a summer day and you will see Muslim women in the full long, black gear with faces covered trotting along behind their husbands who are wearing cargo pants, vests and flip flops! The more extreme even make their little girls wear the same and believe it or not you can buy baby girl burkhas.

Have just watched the two programmes. It made me so angry I was shouting at the TV. How dare a male treat a woman in such a dreadful way ? " Don't behave like an English woman " ! Yes the husband was guilty but his mother and father were too because they expected her to be subservient and clearly made her life uncomfortable. She did describe them as ' the people she lived with ' rather than referring to them as her in laws.
If they can't respect our culture then they have no right to reside in this country.

Women in certain plainly cultures aren’t valued. Some years ago we were selling our house and a Doctor (male) and his family came to view. There were two sons (primary school age) who he said attended private school and they had a baby girl. The husband wanted to know where the nearest state school was as she would be going there. Obviously not worth spending on her education. During the viewing the wife followed the husband round without speaking. This was an educated man who would have worked with many educated women in the hospital, but it hadn’t rubbed off unfortunately.

During the viewing the wife followed the husband round without speaking. This was an educated man who would have worked with many educated women in the hospital, but it hadn’t rubbed off unfortunately.

In 1981 I had a forceps delivery performed by an Asian doctor in a Coventry hospital.
As he delivered my baby daughter he said to the midwives in the room,
"Another bloody girl.
I've delivered five babies tonight and they've all been bloody girls."
No-one said a word.

V3ra

^During the viewing the wife followed the husband round without speaking. This was an educated man who would have worked with many educated women in the hospital, but it hadn’t rubbed off unfortunately.^

In 1981 I had a forceps delivery performed by an Asian doctor in a Coventry hospital.
As he delivered my baby daughter he said to the midwives in the room,
"Another bloody girl.
I've delivered five babies tonight and they've all been bloody girls."
No-one said a word.

I witnessed the same with my babies. They were born in Leicester General hospital so there were loads of Asian mothers in with me.

I used to feel so sorry for Asian women if they had a girl because relatives would be waiting to see what arrived. If it was a girl sometimes they just walked out again or sat near the bed ignoring the mother and baby with faces like thunder. When their visitors left the girls would chat to us and say they were expected to go home and straight away do all the chores.

If a boy was born they would all gather round the bed, kissing and praising the mother, singing and giving the mother gifts. These mothers were treated like princesses and not expected to do anything once they got home. They used to make me laugh when they said they were going to make the most of it!

I remember an Asian taxi driver I used frequently, chopped his wife up & burned the body parts, then spread them along the side of a duel carriage way- found out because I was used to him driving us girls on night out & we felt safe as he’d watch us to the door from his car so asked if he was off ill but they wouldn’t say, eventually it was in the newspapers