Strictly Update.

Yes missdeke.
Bring on a year with inexperienced duffers only while they try to sort out the show!

A family friend was a contestant on SCD, they said it was hard work, very tiring, but nothing they were not expecting.

They went on to lift the Glitter Ball 🕺🏼💃

Not all men have been accused of physically abusing
their partner so many would say that GrannyGravy

Well Mollie two knees - if you can’t cope with Telegraph readers or Ann Widdicombe - probably time for YOU to leave Gransnet. Disagreement is part of life- unless of course you are Jeremy Corbyn - who brooks no opposition.

Dance training is gruelling. I trained in ballet for years and was pushed and pulled, verbally abused and sometimes hit with a cane. Never thought anything about it, it was all a means to an end, which was to attain perfection no matter the cost and the pain. And always never ever to show effort, it had to look easy. The verbal abuse continued when I became a professional dancer, most choreographers behaving like demigods. But you just put up with it, it's your job and there are plenty waiting to step into your shoes if you can't cut it. Those celebrities seem to have a false idea of what it takes to get to an acceptable standard. The trouble is that most of them have had stage school training where basic dance is part of the curriculum. It comes as a shock that much harder work is needed to get to the standard required by the professionals. They have by then become stars in their own right and then can't take the discipline. They're just not used to being told what to do and made to feel inadequate. That's where it goes wrong. The BBC should go back to the basic concept when genuine amateurs were taught the basics and it was a much more gentle, interesting show. Now it's just dog eat dog!

skate so because it was normal in your training days it makes it right Kids were pushed up chimneys and worked in terrible conditions in factories does that make it right to do it today
No one should be abused physically or mentally to make them do something

Domestic abuse use to be accepted, seems somethings don’t change,

Joseann

Yes missdeke.
Bring on a year with inexperienced duffers only while they try to sort out the show!

That would be fun to watch.
All celebrities with no dance experience, and be sure, the internet will reveal any sneaky baby ballet or teen tappers.

Those celebrities seem to have a false idea of what it takes to get to an acceptable standard.
Exactly so. I'm totally against physical abuse, but in dance training it's a case of no pain, no gain. Blood, sweat and tears. If it hadn't been for a very strict, mean-spirited dance teacher, who gave some very cutting comments on our efforts, I wouldn't have won loads of medals and trophies in comps, let alone been on the London stage.
The strange thing was that after a rehearsal or a performance, that ferocious teacher would revert to being a kind and supportive person who accompanied us out to a restaurant to eat, and whose own children were our friends.

I didn’t say it was right it was just what happened. I would hope it's different today but there needs to be discipline in training or what's the point?

So those celebrities must accept physical abuse is necessary to
reach a suitable standard !

Exactly, Joseanne! I've had some painfully critical comments during training and performance, not to say downright rude ones, but I wouldn't have become the dancer I was, able to succeed on the London stage, had those teachers just said "yes, dear, very nice" at the barre. Blood, sweat and tears is right. Some of what is called abuse today is just harsh (and justified) criticism from those qualified to judge and correct.

Oh yes, same here, the days of being pushed on pointes until there was blood in your ballet shoes, or forcing and holding your back until it ached. And the stick for tails under, tummies in!
Even in pre primary, "good toes, naughty toes" being pulled into shape.

I was initially ballet trained skate, but switched to stage - modern, tap etc. Because I was naturally turned out, which isn't what is wanted for stage dancing, I used to get shouted at in front of everyone for looking like I had wet my knickers and other insults. It didn't take me long to correct these habits.
Did you do RAD skate? We did All England Sunshine comps too, my favourite.

Oh gosh! There's a memory, Joseanne!

Good toes, naughty toes

I remember it well!

This is an Entertainment Show we are talking about.
Not a London Ballet School.

We did plenty of entertainment shows. I remember Old People's homes and opening summer fêtes too.
You separate in your mind your audience, some of whom don't give a stuff. Some of whom yawn and fall asleep! Maybe some celebrities are too hung up on the adulation? I don't know.

Blame the victim

I'm guessing you're referring to something in your life Anniebach, as arebseveral of us now reminiscing about experiences in ours. I can't see anyone particularly blaming anyone, just wondering about the circumstances as they would have been in our day.

Graz has admitted kicking Zara, disgusting. I am glad he has gone. Dought he would have kicked Ann Widecombe.

TillyTrotter

This is an Entertainment Show we are talking about.
Not a London Ballet School.

Exactly TillyTrotter and therein lies the difference.

Yes in the 70’s, I heard the following - q. where is x x ?
a. called out at 5.00am last night , a woman was raped crossing
the park, q. in the park at 5.00am ? asking for it stupid bitch

The above a reply yo Josseann I

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TillyTrotter

This is an Entertainment Show we are talking about.
Not a London Ballet School.

Exactly TillyTrotter and therein lies the difference.

But for (most of) the contestants it's a major competition worth a lot of money and a fast track to a possible new career. For which they are expected to work their backsides off to win, or at the very least provide the public with a good laugh.

I suspect only the viewers see it as just entertainment.

And no, I don't see that as an excuse to abuse people.

It's all very well suggesting that we watch total amateurs dancing, but I don't think I could watch 3 months of, for example, Les Dennis.