Harry and Meghan: The Rise And Fall.

Not using the titles is not an option - it is tattooed on his every cell whether he likes it or not.
What is he qualified to do that he can’t do because of a title?

AGAA4

I've always thought that Meghan has manipulated Harry to always get her own way. He seems weak maybe through his upbringing and losing his mother was a huge blow.
Harry found a woman who could think for him as in " I didn't know how angry I was till Meghan told me".
I don't hate these two. Just find them rather pathetic.

I too think that Meghan is the leading force in the relationship - the way she places her hand on his back, as though to reassure him, she seems a very confident assured person, which maybe the attraction for Harry, who does come across as rather lost and weak. Some people are happy to pootle along, letting someone else lead. I just hope that Meghan doesn't overpower Harry with her decisions and that he has a say.

Luckygirl3

This is a young man who was born into one life (not his choice) and chose another because it had made him unhappy. I have no problem with this.

There is now a rift with his family because he would not toe the line. Sad, but not uncommon.

The problem is that people had unrealistic expectations of him and his wife and raised them to fairytale prince and princess status, so when he turned out to be just a normal young man they felt cheated - that is not his fault.

He is forever saddled with the prince/duke label so he has no choice but to use that to forge a future career - it is going to follow him around whatever he does and he will not be able to get an ordinary job. He has used his titles to do some good - Invictus Games etc. - well done him. Not using the titles is not an option - it is tattooed on his every cell whether he likes it or not.

The press have treated him and Meghan atrociously and he is right to be angry about that. But whatever he does they will hound him.

He chose to leave what we all know is a very dysfunctional family - people do this all the time - it is a sane thing to do.

You are very bold to post this on a Knocking Harry and Megan post,😱 but I completely agree with you.

But you and I and anyone else is allowed to be pathetic - as many humans are - without being vilified in the media.

oh for goodness sake, you don't think they read this, do you? - no I do not think they read this. But I think they read this sort of thing being spouted in the media all the time.

I've always thought that Meghan has manipulated Harry to always get her own way. He seems weak maybe through his upbringing and losing his mother was a huge blow.
Harry found a woman who could think for him as in " I didn't know how angry I was till Meghan told me".
I don't hate these two. Just find them rather pathetic.

merlotgran

I wonder if Meghan would have wanted to marry Harry if he hadn’t been saddled with the Prince/duke label? 🤔

It was a win - win choice, if he stayed with her they would be rich, if not she would be a rich divorcee. The eventual outcome couldn’t have been predicted, either way it was a meal ticket for her and kids.

Harry told the world what he said at the bedside of his dead
Grandmother, vile man

Charleygirl5

I believe Charles and William will be discussing next week whether to remove the Duke and Duchess title from that pair. Unfortunately they cannot remove the word Prince but their children will be stripped of their titles. I would like to see them plain Mr. and Mrs. but that will never happen.

I still have not recovered from hearing an outfit costing £17K was purchased for the Colombia trip.

Maybe The Duke and Duchess Of York's titles could also be considered to be removed and the Princess titles their daughters get.

She also flew to the USA for a baby shower when she was expecting Archie, didn’t she?

Where was her passport then, or was one not required? 🤷‍♀️

As for Archie’s title, I think they were offered Earl of Dumbarton, one of Harry’s titles, but because it had ‘dumb’ in it, it was a no go (apparently).

And seeing as the Queen was in her 90’s, if only they could have been a little bit patient, the ‘Prince’ title would have been given to Archie upon her death, as then he would have been entitled to it, being the grandson of the monarch, which wasn’t the case when he was born,

As has happened.

All this nonsense about it being denied because of what colour he might have been…..

Luckygirl3

How do you know where she wanted to be? What is it you think she wanted? In what way is Harry sidelined?

They must get so very tired of people spouting assumptions like this. No wonder they are pissed off!

oh for goodness sake, you don't think they read this, do you?

Meghan says they are proud of their daughter, Lilibet because she is encouraged to speak up for herself and has found her voice.

Sounds just like the kind of three year old I would rather not have sitting at the table next to me in a restaurant. 😂

What I saw last night was so bland the term “vanilla” might have been coined for it.
I don’t understand though why some of the damning assertions H&M have made have not been publicly called out or at least challenged.
The “wedding” ceremony in Lambeth Palace gardens; the withholding of HRH status for Archie on account of his mixed race are two obvious examples.
The “I didn’t want to be alive” quivering lip which fooled nobody, the no access to counselling , the withheld passport (but she flew to New York to watch Serena Willians play tennis) taking her driving licence away (chauffeurs were available) etc etc etc even “The RF made me wear beige clothing” - what?
Last night told me nothing new and even those commenting seemed to be hedging their bets.
Disappointing.

nanna8

I know it sounds like a cliché and I suppose it is, but he was such a happy young bloke when he was young and single. Everyone seemed to like him and he wasn’t such a whinger. If only we could go back in time.

Having read 'Spare'. (I picked it up in a charity shop, not my usual choice) I disagree about his being happy when still young and single. He probably was popular but it comes across that he was also deeply traumatised by Diana's early death and extremely unhappy.

I know it is said that Megan encouraged him to dwell on past and present slights and to whinge about them but he seems to be in love with Megan and blind to her faults, which means he is probably happier than he was before he met her. What they seem to have in common is that they both seem to enjoy self-righteous whinging.

H &M produce books, interviews and speeches to tell people where they want to be.
People read, listen and observe, then use their brain to make their own judgements, based on the information they have received.

Well who knows? - you don't and neither do I.

I wonder if Meghan would have wanted to marry Harry if he hadn’t been saddled with the Prince/duke label? 🤔

How do you know where she wanted to be? What is it you think she wanted? In what way is Harry sidelined?

They must get so very tired of people spouting assumptions like this. No wonder they are pissed off!

Harry has been sidelined by meghan who is now where she always wanted to be!

If I wanted "out" from my family, I would not want to keep titles "prince" or "duke".
I would (politely) ask if they could be removed.

What I don't understand is why they have continued to use them.

I find this confusing.

Oops! Oh dear! I have not read the script! I prefer to use my brain!!!

Oh Luckygirl3, don't you know you're not sticking to the GN script here? Harry & Meghan = bad. The rest of the Royal Family = can do no wrong!

He has defended his position in the face of a multitude of press reporting and misreporting painting him in a very poor light, and the rest of his family as saints. He is entitled to state his position and set the record straight as he sees it. Of course he will defend himself - what else can he do? Slink away while the press pile shit on him? I do not imagine that the dysfunctionality of this family results in them behaving well towards anyone who dares to disagree with them.

Why do we believe one side of the family and disbelieve Harry? What evidence do we have either way?

Two things I have learned in my 75 years: there are always 2 sides to a story; and the press can be evil and are not to be trusted.

There is a rift in the family Luckygirl because he's taken every opportunity to publicly slag his family off, and not because he wouldn't toe the line.

This is a young man who was born into one life (not his choice) and chose another because it had made him unhappy. I have no problem with this.

There is now a rift with his family because he would not toe the line. Sad, but not uncommon.

The problem is that people had unrealistic expectations of him and his wife and raised them to fairytale prince and princess status, so when he turned out to be just a normal young man they felt cheated - that is not his fault.

He is forever saddled with the prince/duke label so he has no choice but to use that to forge a future career - it is going to follow him around whatever he does and he will not be able to get an ordinary job. He has used his titles to do some good - Invictus Games etc. - well done him. Not using the titles is not an option - it is tattooed on his every cell whether he likes it or not.

The press have treated him and Meghan atrociously and he is right to be angry about that. But whatever he does they will hound him.

He chose to leave what we all know is a very dysfunctional family - people do this all the time - it is a sane thing to do.

hallgreenmiss

Luckygirl3

You chaps really do hate these two people who you have never met!

No, we don’t ‘hate’ them and they’re in the public eye enough so we don’t have to have met them. We dislike what they’re doing on the back of Harry’s royal position. We are still indirectly financing them and they continue to do immeasurable harm to their families.

And their families have done no harm to them?! .........