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facing up to a bully

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gracesmum Fri 23-Mar-12 13:33:44

I feel like the lion (?) from the Wizard of Oz - I can't stand up to bullies.I have just had an uncomfortable "conversation" with a neighbour who lives at right angles to our house and whose fence is in poor nick. Granted it was overgrown with ivy which I had not touched as we used to have shrubs in front of it, granted I have painted our side with preservative (brown) since stripping off the ivy last summer granted I did not "ask his permission" so to do.
But there is a thin patch which is turning into a hole and his very aggressive Staffie/Rottweiler (not sure which but scary dog) launches himself at it from time to time which might not be helping. Anyway, I went round to ask in the nicest possible way what neighbour thought about the state of it and got an aggressive and threatening tirade of how I was guilty of "criminal damage" to his fence by allowing the ivy to grow and then painting the fence afterwards, he would fix it in his own good time blah, blah blah!
I remained calm, but was glad we were outside the front of his house, not inside or in the garden, and just said I was sorry he felt that way and walked away. I have now come home and sobbed my heart out because I have been bullied and don't know how to stand up to people like him. I don't want a dispute as I feel he is bloody minded enough to replace the fence with a see through wire one if pushed. I do not feel I am in the wrong (maybe) but I am not used to dealing with such hostility from a man who is over 6' tall and so loud and scary. No witnesses alas, but I wish I had more courage in situations like these. It has also occurred to me that were his dog to break through into our garden I wouldn't give much for Grace's chances or- much worse - the grandsons. We do not live in a "sink" estate in downtown dumpsville, but in a "middle class" village in N. Bucks.Is it too late at 64 to learn how to stand up to a bully?

gracesmum Fri 23-Mar-12 22:02:25

Oh it's amazing how a bit of solidarity makes things so much better Thank you! flowersflowersflowers

petallus Sat 24-Mar-12 09:10:41

We had a problem once with getting our neighbours to repair their fence. In the end we found we were allowed to put our own fence alongside theirs without their consent.

Bet you feel much better gracesmum now you know everyone else in the neighbourhood has problems with this man.

Gally Sat 24-Mar-12 09:35:51

gracesmum flowers Well done! Keep your distance and your integrity!!
I have an opposite neighbour - 91 years old, retired, 'I'm the Greatest' old-school orthopaedic surgeon who thinks he still rules the roost. 5 years ago I told him in no uncertain but polite terms what I thought of him and chose never to acknowledge or speak to him again - it works and I feel much better for it. Needless to say, he is the most unpopular man in the village and a lonely one too.

Carol Sat 24-Mar-12 09:55:34

I stood up to a nasty next door neighbour years ago when my children were small. We needed to extend our house, rather than move, because I produced twins and doubled the size of our family to four. We decided to have a kitchen extension to enable us to have a playroom, and a large bedroom divided to give both boys their own room. As we could have the kitchen extention on the boundary, we arranged to have it 4 feet away from the fence, with a pretty garden area that next door could look at, but not us.

When the extension was finished, we ordered plants and extra soil. I saw the neighbour in the garden looking at the area - 12 feet by 4 feet and went into the garden to explain what we were doing - lovely wisteria up our wall, several small bushes to soften the bricks and some herbaceous plants to line the boundary area. It took some courage to approach him, because he had already accused me of causing a water-logged area in his garden - turned out it was an underground stream, diverted by building work at the top of the hill, not me. He could be very over-bearing.

I started to explain and he rounded on me, accusing me of creating an area to dump my rubbish where I wouldn't have to look at it. I had just spent a night tending to a 3 month baby with whooping cough, and barrier nursing so her twin didn't catch it. I was exhausted - he got both barrels, and I called him a mean and selfish man who only targets women he thinke he can bully. He went off in a huff and I could see him gesticulating at his wife. That moment, the delivery of plants and soil arrived, and in the afternoon, we laid out the lovely garden as planned, and shamed him into realising the only people to benefit from this hidden garden was him and his wife. He kept a low profile after that,

Gally Sat 24-Mar-12 09:58:34

carol smile

NanaChuckles Sat 24-Mar-12 23:26:47

Bullies are the worlds worst human beings. Why do they think they have the right to speak to people the way they do. I also hate confrontation but I can only take so much and then I fight back. Bullied at work for over a year (I had kept a diary of her every confrontational moment) my daughter found me in tears in my kitchen. She persuaded me to go to my boss. Did I work in a large company? No, believe it or not I am a teacher and my boss was a Deput Head. She was vile, had a mouth that would put a docker to shame and her attitude to staff that were not in her "club" was so bad that those of us 'her victims' formed a Supper Club. We would meet whenever one of us was victimised by her. The local Chinese and Indian restaurants made a fortune from us. I went to my boss and told her what was going on. I was lucky that my HT listened and read my diary of events. To my surprise she totally agreed with me but advised me to confront DHT first to hear what she had to say. She was careful not to admit to being a bully but admitted to me that a member of her family had warned her about her behaviour on more than one occasion. I suddenly found myself in her office feeling I was in control. I told her that if her behaviour towards me and others didn't improve she would be taken to a tribunal by more than 4 of us who were willing to put our jobs on the line to prove what she was doing was unacceptable. She was shocked into ceasing her horrid behaviour. Luckily for us she left a few months later to take up a HT job in another authority. If she had not left and the behaviour had continued I would have taken this further. My heart goes out to Gracesmum. Living so close to this man must be awful. You have had some really good advice form others on here. Please do not let him get away with this behaviour. Put up a new fence, a strong one, and good luck. Hopefully he will move in the near future.

grannyactivist Sat 24-Mar-12 23:55:29

It's hard to stand up to a bully Gracesmum, but I think you did a great job of trying to deal with a difficult situation. Most people would prefer to try negotiation and compromise to iron out difficulties, but for some it just doesn't work. I think you were very brave.

gracesmum Sun 25-Mar-12 11:08:37

Postscript
On our bedtime walkie last night Grace and I had to pass his house (well. didn't have to, the walk just took us that way) and bless her, she did what a dog has to do on the corner of his front garden!grin Of course I scooped the poop, but itwas tempting not to........ grin What excellent judgement my dog has!

Carol Sun 25-Mar-12 11:29:35

Dogs know who their owners like and who they don't. Well done grace smile

JessM Sun 25-Mar-12 11:47:43

Very restrained gracesmum .
If you have any more intimidation from the dog maybe you could sweetly suggest that you are very concerned that, if his dog should get through, Grace might do it some damage. Because, although she looks like a quiet old thing she did once tear the throat out of staffy. grin

crimson Sun 25-Mar-12 12:03:11

Make sure you keep a journal of everything that has been said or done. Always a good idea as you probably, like me, sometimes question your own memory if someone challenges you. I so hate these people with Staffie/Rottweiler type dogs; they are just cowards who hide behind them. I'd definately put an extra barrier between my garden and his, even if you do say the dog can't get through, now. It's amazing how small a gap a dog can get through if it wants to. What a horrid situation to be in; I'm so thankful that I've got such good neighbours. I hate bullies, but they sometimes get a shock if you do stand up to them. Unfortunately, this man sounds like the sort that encourages confrontation, because he enjoys it. Sad person. he is.

Barrow Sun 25-Mar-12 13:36:09

We have always been very lucky with neighbours except just the one - when we moved into the village we built a house opposite this man. One night he walked across, in the pouring rain - the garden hadn't been done so was also very muddy. He knocked on the door and when my husband answered he said he had come to tell us we weren't welcome in the village!!! My husband, never one to be short of a reply answered that he didn't give a fig (only he used a different word!). We later spoke to someone whose family had been in the village for generations who told us that our neighbour was the one who wasn't welcome because he and his wife never attempted to join in with village activities.

Danjo Tue 27-Mar-12 15:03:55

You're perfectly entitled to erect your own fence in front of his, on your land. If it were me I'd erect a higher one!