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Aggressive new neighbour

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Marieeliz Tue 17-Oct-17 17:25:53

I have another new neighbour, moved in 6 weeks ago. Second since my old neighbour took poorly. We are nice and quiet and good neighbours here. She has been aggressive with me from the word go. Loud parties till 2 pm. Fortunately, one of the neighbours has CCTV I was assulted by one of her relations and had to call the police. Since then she has got worse. Another loud party last Saturday woke up nearly everyone.

Came in today and found a plant pot of mine thrown in the street with a winter Chrysanthimum. When I thought it was the wind and put it back, she came out and said what are you doing with that? You are putting it on my land.

It is actually mine, she then asked where her Barrell was, the Barrell was mine it had pansies in and I had swapped it with the Chrysanthiumum. The area is a drain and I had put wrought iron around it, I really should have put it the other way around but the original tenant was 90 and had a large bin so I was helping her by not putting the fencing in the correct place.

I have now phoned the wrought iron people to come out and put it the right way around which will include the bin in my property where it should be. I have also spoken to the Housing Trust and Safer Communities. This person is a professional in NHS and not young but a mature person. I am nearly 80 what a way to treat an older person when you are in a supposed "caring" position

I am an owner occupier and there are very few Trust houses left in this area. Thought I was getting a nice settled mature person but obviously not

stayanotherday Fri 20-Oct-17 21:22:29

The neighbour would have been given a booklet of the rules but some don't read them or do and ignore as they think they can do as they like. Glad you've moved things forward. Please continue to record details of any more disturbances. Shame you're going through this, you should have peace at your time of life.

Elrel Fri 20-Oct-17 17:37:36

OP - so sorry you're having to experience this. Can you get your good neighbour to show the party CCTV, with you being manhandled, to the HT? They sound a horrible family.

Marieeliz Fri 20-Oct-17 16:51:49

Thank you everyone, Safer Communities will contact Housing Trust and PCSO,'s hopefully they will tell her that the front she claims is hers is mine. Forge has rung me today to say they are ready to do the work. I have explained to them that I need HT to be involved first.

Someone did tell me to state that if there was any problem with the re jig of the fence "Solicitors would be involved" and to tell HT this.

GillT57 Fri 20-Oct-17 12:14:12

I don't know why everyone is so surprised that a nurse could be so awful as a neighbour, they are like everyone else, with good and bad amongst them, Personally, I have never ascribed to the 'all nurses are angels' as pushed by tabloid press, I have met some fantastic ones, and some lazy indifferent ones who should never have been in the ward. I do hope you get this sorted, nobody should have to have their daily living ruined by selfish and aggressive neighbours.

Marieeliz Fri 20-Oct-17 11:36:57

I have been in touch with Safer Communities and they are going to get in touch with PCSO and Housing Trust, who have not come back to me after initial phone call

I have put off getting the railing done until after the Housing Trust get involved and tell her that it belongs to me and she only has access. Otherwise it will all kick off again and as it is coming to the weekend the relatives would be round.

HT do not seem to inform tenants re what is expected of them or the tenants don't read it. The last tenants, who she swopped houses with were there 18 months and I also had an issue over the flying freehold. She was in a four bed house and has swopped to a two bed.

The previous tenants father completely re furbished it and they are now doing the same to her previous property. HT seem delighted that someone else is upgrading their properties.

Anya Thu 19-Oct-17 09:22:58

Agree that you must keep a comprehensive log of everything that happens. Also I suggest you write to the Trust, telling them you are doing this and that if there is any aggressive action that causes you injury, because of their failure to monitor the situation, then you will hold them culpable.

Tell them you are giving a copy of the letter to a trusted friend with instructions to hand it to the police and the media if the situation escalates.

The only real power lies with the Trust who can remove her from the property. You need to make your situation clear. You also need to add that if they reveal to the tenent who the complainant is and this results in more trouble, then the same applies ie the letter will be made public.

radicalnan Thu 19-Oct-17 09:06:53

If she is a Trust tenant then her lease should state that she has to be a reansable tenant and they can tke action against her, so do insist that they sort this out and not you. They will be able to use a log of incidents if you keep one as evidence and CCTV etc. You are fortunte that she does not own the property, in general housing trusts only give a permanent tenancy to people who have lived in a property for a year without causing any problems.

stayanotherday Wed 18-Oct-17 21:10:25

I agree that you need to log everything as your MP, Environmental Health and everybody else will ask you to do this. Horrible.

Coconut Wed 18-Oct-17 17:22:26

I would advise that absolutely every little issue is written down, with dates, times, names of witnesses etc Speak to everyone, Citizens Advice, local politician, Age Concern may also be able to help, do you have community Police to advise you ? Also, if the Housing Association are not responding to you, ring a local news paper, the HA will soon respond to bad publicity. People like this are just bullies, they rely on intimidation to control others around them. I so feel for you, no one should have to live in fear of verbal or physical aggression. Good luck ...

Marieeliz Wed 18-Oct-17 16:52:48

Thank you for all your advice. She went into work at 12 today. Foundry guy came and said he could do the gate and fence tomorrow but I will ask him to come early next week as, I am sure, this will cause a blow up over the weekend. Housing Trust has not come back to me nor the Communities group but I will get in touch with them tomorrow.

I really feel I have to put this fence and gate in the correct place now as it has caused so much trouble and I knew I should have done it initially. Putting it off again is just making the problem continue.

My friend has just been and said that if the neighbour looked up at the guttering she would see where her house ended and mine started but she is a bully and will not listen.

Sorry for those of you who are suffering similar problems. I have lived in this house since 1961 and, although I would like a bungalow, don't feel I should move.

The only light in the tunnel is that she is not the owner but a Trust Tenant.

Sugarpufffairy Wed 18-Oct-17 16:08:41

I live in a small cul de sac of 15 houses. There are 6 NHS employees, nurses and doctors not clerical or ancilliary staff and this is the most awful, unneighbourly place I have ever lived in. One household are incredibly nosey, even climbing a ladder to stare over a wall. Having cared for a family member often in hospital I found them to be quite nasty people at work too.
I am thinking of moving away. As well as wanting this and that at a new house I will also enquire if there are any NHS staff living nearby. I would not want to live near any of them ever again.
SPF
PS One lot would not move their car which was blocking a blue light ambulance!

maryeliza54 Wed 18-Oct-17 16:00:25

There is no way that a letter to the employers describing factually the behaviour of the woman could ever in a million years be used as a basis for a defamation of character action - for one thing how on earth could she afford to go to court and secondly the letter would be written in good faith.

Nonnie Wed 18-Oct-17 13:42:39

Not sure but I think noise disturbance is the council's responsibility not the police. I'm sure someone else will know.

Lynnebo Wed 18-Oct-17 13:28:05

I do feel for you. I was in this situation also but I was in social housing and they were private owners! I applied to downsize to an area where my children live and moved away.

SunnySusie Wed 18-Oct-17 13:16:38

Marieeliz my heart goes out to you. I have been there with this problem and its dreadful. Polite requests to tone down the noise got abusive responses and my neighbours then engaged in a deliberate campaign of making as much noise as possible at all hours. The police completely refused to get involved with the noise issues, documenting things didnt lead to any action. I dont know if you feel totally powerless in your own home? but that is what I felt like. In the end I had new double glazing installed, soundproofing on the wall, bought a white noise machine and earplugs and managed to sleep. Several years on, the bloke moved from being a white van man on shifts into a management job and miraculously his behaviour improved almost overnight. I heard him yelling yesterday at one of his teenagers to stop making a racket in the middle of the night!

harrigran Wed 18-Oct-17 13:07:40

The council have just sent us forms to fill in to list anti-social behaviour in the street, covers every type of nuisance such as noise and even failure to maintain property. We have several problem residents in the street and houses aren't selling because of them.

Nonnie Wed 18-Oct-17 12:32:22

So sorry to hear this. No answers for you as I have never been in this situation. I can only suggest you get as much evidence as you can, times and dates etc. The police take harassment very seriously so if you can prove it they will help you.

If you decide to sell up you will have to inform the buyer so please bear that in mind. We have a silly .... living next door who did something stupid and, when he saw our for sale sign, thought he could blackmail us into doing what he wanted. Our response included a line about stopping harassing us and that was the end of it.

Jaycee5 Wed 18-Oct-17 11:33:35

I can only sympathise. I was very lucky that the Police raided my neighbour's flat and smashed the door down and she has not come back since.
I think that she wants to return and that the Council are resisting but it has been lovely and quiet here for over a month now. Unless they get a court order she does have the law on her side but they have not repaired the door or windows yet and we are all watching like hawks. Apparently the Police took away a black bag of stuff so hopefully there is something there that helps them.
I do feel sorry for her because she has a right to live somewhere and it is not her fault that there is so little support available but that does not help us when we can't sleep or feel safe with the criminals she attracts.
Record everything - the time, what happened and the effect it had on you. Even small things because sometimes it can be the frequency of small unpleasantnesses that make life difficult. It gets very tedious but it is worth it. It also shows the authorities that you are serious.

NemosMum Wed 18-Oct-17 11:27:25

I think this situation is beyond 'making peace'. You have been kept awake, assaulted by a guest in this woman's house and suffered criminal damage. Added to that, you are an older person and you have the worry of all this interfering with your mental well-being. Contact the police, the local authority and the housing trust, cc-ing your letters to your local councillor. If no satisfactory timely outcome, go and see your councillor (doesn't matter if you didn't vote for them, they still have to represent you). Failing that, the MP's office is the next port of call. I live in an area with a lot of students and have a student house of 6 on one side. Fortunately, we have a good residents' association here, and they advise taking action THE FIRST TIME you have problems, as otherwise it becomes entrenched behaviour. Good luck, and let us know how you get on.

Marieeliz Wed 18-Oct-17 11:27:25

She hasn't gone into work today? I am waiting for Housing Trust to contact and the Neighbourhood cohesion team. I will wait until tomorrow as they have my contact.

Another neighbour has agreed to be witness he is the one with CCTV. I was hoping for the Foundry people to come this morning to give me a price for the fence being re jigged.

My neighbour on the other side is away has been for two weeks and will not be back for another. Another house is empty. The couple on the other side of her also heard the noise and complained to me about last Saturday night.

As the neighbour who is agreeable to supporting me said "she is the bad neighbour" so don't let it upset you.

I did think about her employer, as it is the hospital I would have to go to if ill. I certainly would not like her to be looking after me. During the first incident she was actually bragging about being a nurse and having contact with police, she had the attitude this would make me shut up.

MissAdventure Wed 18-Oct-17 11:16:56

I would steer clear and stay out of the way for a while, and hope that things die down enough that you can coexist peacefully. No sense in getting involved in a feud, because you'll not win.

Margs Wed 18-Oct-17 11:14:33

This appalling neighbour is a NURSE?

Gawd - she sounds like a candidate for the Jeremy Kyle show......

Caramac Wed 18-Oct-17 10:32:02

I think Nursing and Midwifery Council would be worth reporting her to. I would normally say negotiating as a first avenue but it sounds like you wouldn't get a good outcome. Activities which bring the nursing profession into disrepute are taken seriously by the NMC. A midwife I trained with was almost thrown out of training over one silly jokey email to a lecturer. I hope things can be resolved quickly and I'm sorry to hear of this very difficult situation you're in. flowers

radicalnan Wed 18-Oct-17 10:14:09

I am sorry to hear you are having to put up with this, people now have no manners or consideration for their neighbours.

I am afraid working for the NHS is no indicator of anything.

Is she in social housing? You seem to own yours from what you say. If she is in social housing there is some hope that her landlords might take action, if that is the case then please keep detailed log of incidents.

I am hoping for your sake, that some other neighbours might take robust action, via the council or the police and leave you out of it as there has already been an assault.

The police will always take the course of least resistance so unless you insist they won't do anything and even if taken to court and found guilty, she wouldn't get much, a fine perhaps if that.

Remove any of your stuff out of harm's way and try not to get involved with her if possible, let younger, fitter neighbours complain about her anti social behaviour.

theresacoo Wed 18-Oct-17 09:59:53

Write to her employer