My British Values. (You can't just hi-ack them Leavers)

I hope the scales are beginning to fall from the remainers' eyes with my last post ?

Chestnut the legislation is there. The UK has left the Dublin 111 agreement which tried to unite childen with a member of their family - adult sibling, grandparent, etc if their parents couldn't be found. The UK now only unites parents and children. It may seem to you just a question of tweaking a law. Unfortunately while the tweaking is being discussed children will sit in refugee camps.
No more offensive than all the leavers claiming they are somehow re-establishing British values ladymuck when what they are actually doing is introducing division and restrictions.

4. Support and care for the weakest (through government, through charities in this country and elsewhere)

I do agree with all values but this one piqued my interest

Yesterday someone posted some paper about those who voted Leave.

They were apparently old, white, ill educated, on benefits, in poor health, useless with technology and some other 'reasons'

Aren't these the people that we are supposed to try to assist? Those less fortunate than ourselves?

But it appears the vociferous Remainers blame them for Brexit and are certainly not caring very much about them.

The race element is also questionable.

Without doubt most racists will have voted Leave. But to believe that everyone who voted thus is racist is hugely offensive.

Oopsminty As far as being racist is concerned Farage and the Brexit party had close association with Tommy Robinson. Now I'm quite willing to accept that some who voted leave don't have the same extremist views but when you lie down with dogs you get fleas.
As far as I know the Brexiteers on benefits are supported. Just because they are supported I don't have to agee with them.

trisher: Unfortunately while the tweaking is being discussed children will sit in refugee camps.
Hang on, we only left two days ago. And are still bound by EU laws until next year. I thought that was the whole purpose of allowing a year, to sort out things like this.
Why do you feel the need to jump in and protect people who may not even need protecting?

I would say the majority who voted leave do not share extremist views trisher.
I agree with many of your points above with the exception of number 3.
No one in this country should be treated differently regardless of where they were born or their beliefs. I think that should be EXCEPT where their beliefs are against the law in this country or where their beliefs allow them to commit acts of harm to others.

trisher: As far as being racist is concerned Farage and the Brexit party had close association with Tommy Robinson.
I think you should remove that comment as it is libellous. Farage has never supported TR in any way! ? It's lies like this that get passed round and then people believe them. Shocking.

Well chestnut your post went some way to making the scales fall from my eyes. I now see how absolutely wrong you were and that you voted to leave on an entirely erroneous premise!
WE HAD NO SAY IN EU RULES AND REGULATIONS??
May I break it to you that we most certainly did.

That ranks alongside comments about unelected representatives dictating to us.
Maybe that means you didn't bother to vote but I certainly did and had an MEP who conscientiously sat in Brussels representing my constituency unlike the self-serving Farage!

But never mind. Mustn't let the truth get in the way of prejudice!

Chestnut we did have a say in EU regulations. We had the same say as each of the other states. This is one of the lies that the leave campaign peddled: that the EU was a dictatorship and Britain was a vassal.

mcem - our country was one small voice amongst many and could easily be outvoted. Ultimately we have to follow EU directives even if we don't agree with them.

Chestnut, which laws would you like to repeal, then?

And now that small (but equal) voice is in danger of being out-Trumped at every turn.
Maybe your preference but not mine!

Ah but you see Chestnut the Hof C have already dropped the refugee children, in spite of the Hof L asking them to protect their rights. I do wonder do Leavers actually look at what is happening? or are they sitting in some sort of euphoria while this government does as it likes www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/01/uk-gov-votes-measures-protecting-child-refugees-200122183233868.html

Trisher - I agree with your principles.
But I think the Leavers you refer to are the pesky Tory establishment, who only care about protecting their wealth and status.
There are other Leavers with more sympathy for your ideals, but have other reasons for wanting to leave.

Chestnut sounds exactly like Scotlands role in the "united" Kingdom ,we would have far more say in Brussels than we do here .At least r politicians are heard and their opinions are respected .Unlike the H.of C\ where they are alternatively ignored and disrespected,thats when their not being laughed at or told to go home !!
You get the picture? Why could WM have a referendum to pull us out of the EU and then refuse us a referendum to leave the UK? Double standards ? Maybe they're worried we'll take everything thats ours with us and leave them broke ....we will !

trisher - I don't think the subject of child refugees is closed yet, so let's not jump the gun. The government has promised to protect the rights of refugee children in a separate immigration bill.

paddyanne sounds exactly like Scotlands role in the "united" Kingdom ,we would have far more say in Brussels than we do here
Scotland is way over-represented in the Commons!! They have a whopping 48 seats for less than 1.3 million voters. The Lib Dems have only 11 seats for 3.6 million voters. In 2015 UKIP had only 1 seat for over 3.8 million voters! So you hardly have anything to complain about. You actually have too many MPs.

C given these 'misguided' posts and the wildly misleading dishonest interpretatations of yesterday's comments about the elderly, racist technophobes, I think I have to leave you in your cloud cuckoo land and return to the dizzy intellectual heights of Dancing on Ice.

Chestnut ??Scotland is over represented in Westminster,
Massively so.Yet still the SNP moan on.

We will certainly have much much more say on what happens in the UK now.There has been friction between our government and the EU since the 80’s, so this has been a long time coming.?
Jumping the gun is something a lot of GNers excel at btw.

The truth about TR - he stood as an independent for the European elections as no one else wanted him. Someone senior in the Brexit party referred to him as courageous but this implied foolishness rather than being any sort of support. He is a problem agreeably, as he appears to possess a charisma, something most extremist leaders have had in spades. I’d suggest that last night was Farage’s last hurrah. From now he’ll be a someone in history that continues to squeak from the sidelines.

Oh, and he only achieved 2.2% of the vote in a carefully chosen constituency. He’s obviously not as influential as he thinks himself to be.

Terry Christian, John Hannah both remain voters I suggest you look at their social media, their values are questionable?

Farage does (unfortunately) have links with the Far Right. The Financial Times has a very good article on it, unfortunately a bit hard to see without registering. There are others though www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/may/22/nigel-farage-discussed-fronting-far-right-group-led-by-steve-bannon

I've stopped being angry about Brexit, I thought clevered poeple than me in charge would maybe put the brakes on but that didn't happen. I have a strong dislike for the tories and Bois Johnson and I hate the idea of trading with the US but I can't let it keep ruling me. I hope that if things turn sour we will all pull together and look out for each other. I don't really know what being British means to me, I'm just one little person in a big world but in the words of Doctor Who, I've never met a human who want important. Well the law abiding, non murdery non abusive ones anyway x

I've never met a human who want important

I really like that.