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Covid Restrictions broken by a Surgeon

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Sugarpufffairy Sun 18-Oct-20 20:10:02

I watched a household which I know is a couple so only 2 people in the house. The couple are not ill in any way. Their adult children and the partner arrived and went into the house. They were there after an hour. I had to go out and they were still there.
We are in Scotland and in one of the high covid areas. Five NHS areas have been told not to go into each others' houses and not to travel to other areas. We are having circuit break just now.
It is bad enough that they visited when we are asked not to visit or enter other houses, but they are both doctors one dealing with very young children.
If NHS staff will not follow the rules what hopes do we have of ever getting out of this situation

Marydoll Mon 19-Oct-20 00:07:59

Sugarpuff, I live in the high risk Glasgow area and I can understand your concerns about doctors in particular breaking the rules. However, you only know what you see, you don't know all the facts.

Also, I'm a bit confused about you only spending a couple of hours in the house in the last few weeks, so how do you know if there have been other occasions, when your neighbours haven't followed the rules? Have I misunderstood? Do you live somewhere else? Have you perhaps come back from abroad. Sorry if I sound a bit dense.

If your neighbours are causing you no harm and you have no contact with them, why make life difficult for yourself?
You will have to face them when this is all over.
I'm not advocating breaking the rules, quite the opposite.
Just stop and think before you take any action.

Marydoll Mon 19-Oct-20 00:09:11

Sorry, Sugarpuff, crossed posts, you have explained it now.

Sugarpufffairy Mon 19-Oct-20 01:13:12

Marydoll I was not only talking about the Corona virus rules and regulations when I said the neighbours ignore various pieces of legislation. As you are in Scotland you may know about Home Reports. I can not get a good Home Report for my house because of things they have done. This would cause a drastic drop in the price if I sold the house. They don't seem to think that rules and laws apply to them.
I don't think I will be going back to the house when the covid situation changes. I have seen what it is like to have nice neighbours and I would be reluctant to leave this nicer place to go back to a place where folks are playing the rebel but not doing it so well.

Doodledog Mon 19-Oct-20 02:36:56

Hetty58

Doodledog, perhaps, if/when you're struggling to breathe, you might change your mind?

I struggle to breathe quite often, and as a result I haven’t been out other than house to car for medical appointments since March.

I won’t change my mind about not liking the side of human nature that the virus has brought to the fore though. I find it quite upsetting to see how quickly people turn on one another to defend ‘the rules’, when it is obvious in many cases that in reality there are other issues at play and ‘the rules’ are being used as a way of getting revenge. It is unedifying in the extreme, in my opinion.

Of course people should socially distance, wear masks and so on, but we are not our neighbours’ keepers, and we don’t usually know the half of what goes on in the lives of others. The sheer spite displayed at times is horrible.

Doodledog Mon 19-Oct-20 02:38:23

That should read ‘Other than from the house to the car’

Marydoll Mon 19-Oct-20 07:48:32

Sugarpufffairy, now that you have given more information, I realise that there is more to this than just breaking Covid regulations.

You obviously have had previous problems with your neighbours, which is a pity if you are trying to sell your house and may have to include details in the home report.
Its a seller's market here in Scotland, so it may be the time to sell, for peace of mind. Both my son and my friend's son sold their homes within two days last month.
There are more people looking for houses than available and you sound very unhappy about where you live.
I hope you manage to resolve matters.

Elizabeth1 Mon 19-Oct-20 08:02:01

Please use this forum with civility people are allowed to voice their concerns so that they can off load to other caring people and the rule is in Scotland NOT to visit in other peoples homes that’s a high risk keep safe everyone and dae as yer telt wink

maddyone Mon 19-Oct-20 09:53:23

SugarPuff I understand now. Thanks for explanation. I agree with what Marydoll said. Keep safe.

trisher Mon 19-Oct-20 10:34:07

One of my DSs came round the other day and fixed a few things for me- changing light bulbs etc-I don't climb steps anymore. No one would have known what he was doing in my house. Another came on a different day to collect some things and fix the guttering at the back. They were both here for some time. Do you think the neighbours were watching? If there was a job that needed more than one person they would need to come in together. Would the neighbours report me? You have no idea what is going on in the house and why they are there.

Callistemon Mon 19-Oct-20 10:39:29

Sugarpufffairy

The thought crossed my mind that they could all have had COVID and have been tested to show they have antibodies, particularly as they work in the NHS.
That could mean they feel more relaxed about visits even though it is thought antibodies may not last that long.
We just don't know yet.

I think there are many people who may have had the virus but we are all still supposed to adhere to strict rules.

Most people won't know, of course, as the antibody test is not widely available.

TheFrugalPiggy Mon 19-Oct-20 10:58:10

Get people to spy on each other, put people out of business so they to go into debt with the banks, make sure that those who don't "comply" are judged as selfish by their fellow citizens, impose fines on those who break "the rules". Project Fear is fully underway.

paddyanne Mon 19-Oct-20 12:28:29

sugarpuffairyaren't you breaking the rules yourself? Shouldn't you have been at your HOME address and not going back to the other address ?Didn't Catherine Calderwood lose her job for visiting her second home?
Pots and kettles ?

Callistemon Mon 19-Oct-20 12:33:10

Good point, paddyanne, especially in an area with a high number of cases.
Should anyone be going to and from a holiday home?

Marydoll Mon 19-Oct-20 13:05:55

I agree Paddyanne. The thought did cross my mind, as NS keeps urging people not to travel in Scotland, unless absolutely necessary.

It seems there is a lot more to the story than you are telling, Sugarpuffairy.
We can't really be expected to comment if we don't know all the facts.

Sugarpufffairy Mon 19-Oct-20 15:42:45

I was in my holiday home when the text came to say we were all to stay at home. I took it very literally that I should stay where I was at the time the text arrived.
I had only just got what was meant to be a holiday home. I didn't go back to my home until travel was allowed. I had nothing sorted out for the holiday home like phone or internet. The oven, fridge freezer and washing machine did not work. The TV aerial does not work either. I was living in a house with very few working parts. I found that it was a much more pleasant life even without the services that we tale as normal now. That seemed very significant to me that I was happier even though I had limited facilities. It changed my thoughts on which should be my permanent home. I realise that there is more to life than maintaining the status quo and remaining in a house just because it was a long term home. It have heard that others were less than happy being locked down in that place. Others in the street have given me a "thumbs up" from a distance as they had wanted to leave the area. Being there I had not realised just how bad it was for neighbourlyness and atmosphere.
I did not go back and forward from one house to the other. The only times I have travelled is when travel is not restricted and I have not travelled from a high covid area to a low covid area or vice versa. I have not travelled with anyone or had anyone in either house. I have tried at all times to get things right re the rules from Nicola Sturgeon