Different family opinions

Vaccination is not 100% effective (no vaccine is), but if a vaccinated person gets COVID they will be less ill than if they had not had the vaccination. Vaccinated people with underlying health problems are most at risk.The majority of those now being hospitalised and dying are nvaccinated.

Our vaccinated DDiL went down with COVID last week. She has an condition that means her immune system is compromised. She has been quite unwell but is now recovering, but not so ill that any medical assistance or consultation was required. She picked up the illness from an unvaccinated child, who later tested positive and now both her children, neither of whom is vaccinated, because the school have yet to start vaccinations, also have it, but without symptoms.

Can I ask? I didn’t realise someone unvaccinated is a risk to someone who is vaccinated? I would think the risk was equal
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agnurse

Whether she has her child vaccinated is up to her and isn't something you should be discussing, except to determine your personal risk of getting COVID from them.

Many people who eat vegan do so for reasons that include health, environment, and concern for animals. If cooking for her is difficult, you can decide not to invite her over for meals.

All very well , although I find that we are supposed to not stick our nose in, yet they all can pitch up and have a go at us? Agree to differ works best, but no banned subjects - it only creates unhealthy secrets and lies

If cooking vegan foods is so difficult, why not either purchase some pre prepared foods, or, have a word with this lady and ask her if she could possibly bring her own, just explain that hubby is the household cook and is frightened of change.

As for the vaccination issues, swap it round, she clearly has very strong opinions, she probably feels as strongly about your decision to vaccinate as you her decision not to. Presumably you expect her to respect your opinions, she can therefore expect the same respect. Can you not agree to disagree?

On the front pages of the newspapers there are photos of eminent people who are anti Vaccination and they died I believe young people in Intensive Care have been begging for the vaccine but it’s too late sad really Vaccines work on herd immunity so your grandson fingers crossed at lower risk of getting diseases but no guarantee.My husband got meningitis way before any jabs he was left dyslexia nobody helped recognised it at school .Buy a vegan ready meal for daughter in law Personally I wouldn’t have unvaccinated family in my home .It’s already a case in some jobs no vaccine no work

I will cook or bake to match the needs of who is eating the food, I love searching for new recipes and ingredients. The hardest I found to cater for was a cake for a vegan who was also gluten free and allergic to nuts! I can’t remember what I finally made but it had apple sauce and rolled oats ( only Quaker Oats are guaranteed gluten free during processing though) and tasted quite nice! Many recipes use ground almonds or coconut oil - allergic to both!

My friend would have brought her own snacks but I was determined to find something to bake, I viewed it as a challenge!

I’d suggest you buy ready made vegan meals for her, and ask the unvaccinated members of you family to take lateral flow tests before they visit

pinkhousegirl Well said

Kartush - there are probably many more issues upon which you will have divided opinions, after all you are two generations apart from your grandchildren - who's right, and who's wrong, or is this not even a question - we can all have our own opinions - Veganism and anti-vaxism (if there's such a word) are ethical stances taken by some against rampant capitalism that seeks to destroy the world - you can't knock those positions and my suggestion is that you keep your opinions to yourself.

there used to be a frozen vegan shepherd's pie, called shepherdess pie, where the meat part was replaced by lentils.
mrs mccartney brand. very tasty. probably lots more now.

at the risk on inciting an avalanche of negative comments, I think there are two issues here. Being vegan is a personal choice, which affects nobody but the person involved, and her decision should be respected. Not being vaccinated puts others at risk, and is not a question of personal choice. This confusion is quite extraordinary to me. I have the right to be vegan/eat my own weight in black pudding. I do not have the right to put complete strangers, whose health conditions I do not know, at risk of serious, possibly fatal illness. End of.

My SP's almost completely vegan which I find difficult. However, because we have an otherwise excellent relationship, she tolerates my shortcoming and pretty much caters for herself. Good lass!

What I am saying is, have the last laugh.

Not sure what is meant about not offering Muslims pork. When I married an Arab, my sister made roast pork for our first visit. He had never tasted it but thought it was rather nice. She was most upset. We’ve been married 40 years and rarely eat pork as we prefer lamb.

Your husband being 71 is absolutely no excuse I am olde4 than him and perfect.y capable of cooking for other people s tastes even though I m not a great kitchen person
Are you in U.K. I must be out of date I didn’t know we had rulings about nursery attendance and vaccinations I know they do in some parts of Europe but didn’t realise we did as well

They may find in the future that their child will not be accepted at nursery or school without having had his jabs

CoolCoco

discodancer Yes being vegan is a choice, but you could say the same thing about a Muslim who didn't eat bacon or drink alcohol. Would you expect them to eat a pork product or something with alcohol in?

No I wouldn’t....I would respect their choice. Stella was talking about diabetics...who have no choice.

My daughter is vegan, we are not. I solve the problem of her food by buying a vegan ready meal for her, and cook for the rest of us. There are some very good vegan meals available these days, and my daughter is more than happy with this arrangement. Seeing the family is more important than the food

discodancer Yes being vegan is a choice, but you could say the same thing about a Muslim who didn't eat bacon or drink alcohol. Would you expect them to eat a pork product or something with alcohol in?

"I do understand my husbands feelings to a certain extent, he is 71 years old and a cooker of meat…roasts, pastas, bbqs, it is what he knows." Pastas can easily be made vegetarian and then sprinkle over grated cheese for those who eat it, and non-dairy "cheese" for those who don't (look out for makes like Violife). Mixed roast veggies are good, with non-dairy "cheese" sprinkled over them. BBQs - there are soya sausages and burgers for her. But it sounds as though he is resentful because he cooks things he's comfortable cooking and possibly feels "deskilled" at now having pressure to cook other things? In which case, vegan ready meals would be the ideal solution - maybe you could take charge of that and leave him to his meat cooking? As for the vaccinations - that's a minefield I don't envy you (sorry, nothing to add to what's already been said).

I have no patience with anti vaxxers but what I will not do is install the NHS app on my phone nor will I go for weekly covid tests. I want my freedom.

Every Christmas we have a family meal. There are three vegetarians and 4 meat eaters. It has been a pleasure to find a new vegetarian main course every year that all the meat eaters can try as well. If this is too fussy for you, buy a vegetarian ready meal. Your DL s a guest in your home. You should treat her with respect.

Stella14

albertina

You have my sympathy with this. My family is now completely split and my younger daughter's vegan diet is partly responsible for it. It was the straw that broke the camel's back.
When she went vegan she was unable to sit down for a meal with us without lecturing and even tried to convert her then 7 year old niece.
I'd be inclined to keep vegan ready meals in your freezer so feeding her is simpler.

Wow! Until I read this thread, I had no idea that there was so much intolerance on this issue. Would you treat a diabetic friend with the same level of disrespect Albertina?

And no, I am not vegan myself.

People don’t choose to be diabetic!

Stella14

@Madgran77 most Pasta contains egg, which vegans don’t eat (though vegetarians often do).

Most dry pasta is made of semolina flour and water. Few makes have eggs in. There is however, egg in fresh pasta.

Nannashirlz

If she eats fresh fish you could put some in some tinfoil with a few herbs slice of lemon and cook in oven for 15mins also adding more vegetables along side it. I do agree with you on the jabs my sons and daughter inlaws both had them but not for themselves but for my protection. But unfortunately we can’t tell others what they should do. Put yourself in her position how would you feel if someone told you what to do. As for vegetarian meals they not as difficult has you might think. The one I give you at work I’ve had loads who enjoy it and have even gone on to make it themselves at home.

Vegans don’t eat anything from a living creature.