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Controlling daughter in law regarding the death of her father

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Mal2 Sun 04-Sep-22 23:26:43

am a 66 year old single woman. I have 1 married son and 2 grandchildren.

I am writing this to try and understand why my daughter in law (DIL) is bitterly angry with me regarding the passing of her father.

I want to make this as brief as possible but it is a very sad and convoluted story…

I went to see father of my DIL who has been battling cancer after a bone marrow transplant.

I have 35 years of medical experience and upon seeing his condition I knew he needed to be in the hospital. I told his wife what I thought and also called my DIL to suggest admitting him, as I felt he was very sick.
5 days later he falls at home and both his wife and DIL are able to lift him up and drive to the hospital.
Once there, he was immediately admitted into ICU. His confirmed diagnosis was Sepsis.
From that point on, his condition deteriorated. He was intubated, given several antibiotics was in Septic Shock and finally passed away 19 days later.

This man was a wonderful human being and good friend to me.

4 days prior to his death, his family decided to have him extubated and placed in Comfort Care where he would die comfortably.
On this day the family said their goodbyes, fully expecting him to pass away within hours.
Because they all assumed that he would pass away quickly, my son and DIL told their children 6&8 years old that their grandfather had passed away.
The family was awaiting a call from from the hospital telling them he had passed. No call came. He was still alive and breathing on his own.

The prior evening I talked to my son who was tearful and told me they had said their goodbyes.
I was grieving as well and called the following day to see if I could join them as I wanted to see my son and comfort him. I was told no. My DIL and her mother were not wanting any visitors.

I had made plans to go and see this man on that Thursday. I work Monday thru Wednesday and Thursday was my first opportunity to do so.
I called the hospital to confirm that he was allowed visitors and was told yes.

I was relieved he was still alive as I needed to see him to say my goodbyes to help with my grieving and to gain closure.

While in his room a nurse came in and told me they were moving him out of ICU.
Thinking I was being helpful, I texted my son and let him know.
The following is the text I received. I have omitted titled all names with * symbol

“I am utterly shocked. I am asking that you never, ever tell ***that you visited him today. *** and * explicitly planned to be the last ones to be with him. *** is now not only painfully grieving, but now extremely angry. I am asking that you please do not contact either of them, and please leave now. **** already called the hospital and is taking ****back now. Again, * is not aware that anyone visited today and *** and I are asking that it must remain that way.”
I received 2 more texts asking for confirmation that I had left the hospital and ordering me to not contact them as they needed time and space due to the difficult position I put them in.

I was in total shock…
This angry text from my son is when I learned of his wife and mother in law’s “plan” to be the last ones to be with him.

I left the hospital sobbing. I was so confused.
By the time I got home, my confusion had turned to anger. Number one I was shocked to receive such a hateful text from my son and number 2 had no reasonable reason why…

I honored his order of not contacting him but not because he ordered me to but because if I had spoken to him I would have cut him to shreds with my tongue and knew that doing so would only compound the stress he was under.

My DIL’s father lived 4 more days.

I waited 2 weeks to contact my son and asked him to make arrangements to come and talk to me. He came yesterday and I finally had the answers I was looking for…

He told me that he and my DIL think that I overstepped my bounds and deliberately “ inserted” myself in the dying process and grief of her father…
He then told me that my DIL accused me of being selfish, self absorbed and was only thinking about myself…
I told my son that I only agreed with her 3rd accusation because , yes, I did go to see him because I needed to see him to say my goodbyes ease my grieving heart and to have closure. I then asked my son if he believed that wrongly inserted myself in their situation and he said yes. I asked him if be believes that I am selfish and self absorbed and he said no.

He told me that I should have called him and inform him of my plan to see his FIL. At this point I knew exactly what they wanted from me. I again told him I didn’t understand( even though I did) and decided that he was going to have to look me in the eye and tell me exactly why… he told me that I should have “asked” them if I could visit him. I asked him if they actually believed that I needed their permission to see him and he said yes…

I told him that I do not need anyone’s permission to do anything, including this. I told him that my visit with his FIL was between he and I only.

My son told me that he and my DIL assumed I had enough common sense to realize that when he told me over the phone that they said their goodbyes I was to understand that they were to be the last ones to see him…

I was dumbfounded and asked my son to explain to me just how I was to figure that out after only being told they had said their goodbyes…

He immediately admitted that it was wrong of him to assume I would figure it out.

I told him that his wife and MIL should have planned their “plan” a little more thoughtfully and made sure that anyone who wanted to say goodbye would not be able to. A sign on his door stating the family wanted no visitors…informing the hospital phone operators that for anyone who called was to be told that he was not taking visitors. I did call the hospital to make sure he was allowed visitors and I was told yes.

My son responded with this”. With all the stress they were under how can you possibly think that they would even think of doing that”
I told him that if their “plan” was that important to them, they should have thought it thru and took the proper steps to insure the plan remained uninterrupted.

My son then tells me that his wife and her mother decided ahead of time who they would or would not allow to see their dad and husband..
I told him that obviously I was one of the not allowed persons. He immediately regretted what came out of his mouth…
I laughed a little and told him that after learning this I am even happier that I went to see him and that I will NEVER regret my decision.

I was told that his wife does not want me to come to there house as her anger toward me is palatable. I told him I was just fine with that as I had no desire at all to see her but that I wanted and needed to see my grandchildren an he agreed to bring them to me.

I told my son to make sure his wife understands that I will NEVER compromise who I am and what my beliefs are to make her feel better. I told him the burden is on her to contact me.
I told him this will remain a situation where she and I will have to agree to disagree. I told him I have moved on and that If she wants to live in anger she owns the problem, not me.

I asked him if his wife is actively trying to ban me from their lives and he said no. That she told him she wants me in their lives and wants me to be a grandmother to their kids….
Not too sure I believe her though…

My son told me it is very hard being in the “ middle”. I went to him and hugged him and told him I loved him and he broke down and cried.

I posted this looking for answers as I truly believe I was within my rights whereas my DIL believes I was not…

Caleo Mon 05-Sep-22 09:13:14

What a good, healthy thing it was that your grief about your son's text transformed into anger.

I think that your late friend's daughter is possessive because she lost control of the whole death and bereavement situation. She views you as an interloper. In actual fact death was the interloper and she can't blame death.

If she is intelligent enough she will come to understand her own problem with her bereavement. As a couple, she and your son seem to be like many if not most married couples; they behave as if they share one mind. Maybe your sons is more insightful than she, you will know.

Naturally all this comes at a bad time for you and you are grieving all on your own. You are able to put your feelings and thoughts in order, and you will cope.

Septimia Mon 05-Sep-22 09:14:54

I can't understand why his family wouldn't visit him themselves while he was still alive. Saying goodbye in anticipation seems most odd and surely most people would go on visiting someone they supposedly cared so much for.

Strange.

Shelflife Mon 05-Sep-22 09:19:48

I read your post last night and couldn't believe it! I delayed my response as needed to see what other people thought. You have well and truely overstepped the mark! As for NEVER regretting your decision and NEVER compromising - What!? Tearing your son to shreds with your tongue , unbelievable. Regardless of what you believe you were not the most important person in this situation. Your sense of entitlement astounds me. You should most certainly have asked before visiting and should have been prepared for a negative response. I suspect there is more behind this story than meets the eye. Your next step is to apologize ( if that is vaguely possible) I sincerely hope you can sort this out with your son and DIL - given your attitude I would not hold your breath on that.

Zoejory Mon 05-Sep-22 09:22:56

If my mother in law had decided to visit my dying parent I'd have gone ballistic.

Caleo Mon 05-Sep-22 09:24:21

All you who are criticising the OP can have no idea how close she and the dying man were. She may have been his lover for years , for all you know. Also remember sometimes friends are emotionally closer than relations.

In any case, this woman was obviously very upset and needs at least some ordinary sympathy for being at odds with her son!

Susan56 Mon 05-Sep-22 09:25:50

I too think you overstepped the mark.When my dad was in Intensive Care 28 years ago and we knew that he wouldn’t recover, my mother,brothers and I agreed that only immediate family would visit him.Our wishes were respected for which I’m still very grateful.

I agree with other posters that you intruded on their grief and made it all about you.

I very rarely stray from the Good Morning thread and occasionally soops kitchen but I found your post quite shocking.

I think now you understand how the family felt, an apology is definitely called for.

MerylStreep Mon 05-Sep-22 09:35:10

Oldbat1

Can’t be a real post.

Totally agree. I think OP is practicing her fictional ? writing skills.

Granmarderby10 Mon 05-Sep-22 09:35:27

After reading this and a few of the responses it is apparent that there are more strange people in this world than I ever imagined.
Just odd, odd people who no doubt believe they are behaving in a completely rational way…..?

Zoejory Mon 05-Sep-22 09:37:23

Caleo

All you who are criticising the OP can have no idea how close she and the dying man were. She may have been his lover for years , for all you know. Also remember sometimes friends are emotionally closer than relations.

In any case, this woman was obviously very upset and needs at least some ordinary sympathy for being at odds with her son!

She may have been his lover? Good grief. What about the feelings of this man's wife?

She is nothing to this man at all. Nothing to do with her. All she had to do was phone her son and ask if she could go and visit the poor bloke.

Zoejory Mon 05-Sep-22 09:38:23

I agree! Totally bonkers

lemsip Mon 05-Sep-22 09:39:25

you overstepped the mark! they were right to keep you away!

HurdyGurdy Mon 05-Sep-22 09:41:29

Caleo

All you who are criticising the OP can have no idea how close she and the dying man were. She may have been his lover for years , for all you know. Also remember sometimes friends are emotionally closer than relations.

In any case, this woman was obviously very upset and needs at least some ordinary sympathy for being at odds with her son!

Are you her twin ?

luluaugust Mon 05-Sep-22 09:43:36

Goodness it would make a wonderful opera.

Sara1954 Mon 05-Sep-22 09:48:31

I think you are being a bit harsh.
Yes, she probably overstepped the mark, but I was wondering how I would have felt had my mother in law had popped in to say goodbye to my dad, and I most certainly wouldn’t have gone ballistic.
Knowing my dad, he probably wouldn’t have wanted to see anyone, but I would have made his wishes clear to everyone.
An apology is in order if the relationship is to be mended.

Jackiest Mon 05-Sep-22 09:50:57

It is not what the Dil wants or her son wants or what the OP wants that matters it is what the dying man wants that matters. He is the immportant person in all this and his views seem to be being ignored. We need to look at it from his point of view.

ExDancer Mon 05-Sep-22 10:03:41

You are all being very judgemental and very harsh, it just happened that she was the last person to say 'goodbye' and not his immediate family. They do seem strangely possessive over this.
However this puzzled me more:-

_Because they all assumed that he would pass away quickly, my son and DIL told their children 6&8 years old that their grandfather had passed away.
The family was awaiting a call from from the hospital telling them he had passed_

Why tell the children their grandfather had died when he hadn't?
(sorry I don't know how to put quotes into boxes on here)

Luckygirl3 Mon 05-Sep-22 10:08:26

It is not about rights, but about sensitivity and thoughtfulness.

Sara1954 Mon 05-Sep-22 10:08:55

But I presume that they were the last to say goodbye, as he lived longer than expected.

Callistemon21 Mon 05-Sep-22 10:11:06

Jackiest

It is not what the Dil wants or her son wants or what the OP wants that matters it is what the dying man wants that matters. He is the immportant person in all this and his views seem to be being ignored. We need to look at it from his point of view.

It doesn't sound as if he was in any fit state to make a decision by that stage.

However, I think you over-stepped the mark. You should have checked with your DS/DIL/DIL’s Mum that it was ok. Heavens, we have friends, one of whom is far advanced in his dementia journey but I wouldn’t dream of visit him without running it past his wife first.

I agree and with others who said something similar.

We recently visited a relative who has advanced dementia; she is a much loved in-law and we checked with her children first to make sure it was in order to visit.

The wishes of the next-of-kin are paramount.

Baggs Mon 05-Sep-22 10:40:52

Septimia

I can't understand why his family wouldn't visit him themselves while he was still alive. Saying goodbye in anticipation seems most odd and surely most people would go on visiting someone they supposedly cared so much for.

Strange.

This is how I feel too.

My mum took several days to die after a huge bleed on the brain that left her unresponsive. We visited every day while we waited for the inevitable to happen. If an unrelated friend had wanted to visit her after our last visit (which was about 10 hours before she died), none of us would have minded at all. Nor would we have expected to be consulted about it. If someone had asked if it was alright, we would have said of course.

I don't understand what there is to get angry about. It seems to me the son's inlaw family had "staged" what they wanted and when the "performance" did not go exactly according to plan, they blew their tops.

It seems an unnecessary complication to be making up rules and then expecting other people to just know, without being told, what you have in mind.

Definitely strange. Perhaps a strange story is all it is.

Stranger things have happened between groups of human beings.

Sara1954 Mon 05-Sep-22 10:51:23

Bags
I agree, as I said, I don’t think we would have minded, my dad might have done, but that would have been a different matter.
I think it’s all to do with the relationship between them all.

Baggs Mon 05-Sep-22 10:59:59

I think it’s all to do with the relationship between them all.

Exactly this.

BrightandBreezy Mon 05-Sep-22 11:03:07

I would have rang to check whether it was ok to visit your dil's father and abided by dil's decision. Hover I am puzzled about the family deciding they would be last to visit but not being there over 4 days themselves.
I think that sadly, the passing away has not happened as quickly as they though so they feel they have lost something important to them in not being the last two days goodbye.
When people are greiving they go through a whole range of emotions.Sometimes anger or hurt at these times is overwhelming. Give them all a bit of space, reflect on what you might have done differently and hopefully you can all move forward as a family. ?

BrightandBreezy Mon 05-Sep-22 11:03:55

Two people ..not days

Blossoming Mon 05-Sep-22 11:04:35

Caleo

All you who are criticising the OP can have no idea how close she and the dying man were. She may have been his lover for years , for all you know. Also remember sometimes friends are emotionally closer than relations.

In any case, this woman was obviously very upset and needs at least some ordinary sympathy for being at odds with her son!

Is this a sick joke? If she was his fictional lover that makes it even more hurtful for his wife and daughter.