Boris manspreading!!

Lessismore
Please don't feel you have to apologise for setting up this thread!

It is hugely successful thread! Look - we are on page 5! How often does Gnet do that?

I for one, am very grateful for having had the opportunity to learn a lot about what is going on, simply by asking a question, and by thinking about this meeting. It is a credit to you in bringing this to our attention. Nobody has the right to try to abruptly attenuate the discussion until everyone has naturally exhausted all they have to say.

I would like to add that the way our Prime Minister appears in the press and when with other Leaders, is of great importance. The respect he engenders for him in the Leaders in the EU is vital to their agreeing to a deal which will safeguard our interests in leaving.

Minniemoo I honestly don't know Minniemoo (I had to say your name again - it's just so appealing!) I suppose the thing is that, whatever way, Boris "emborissed" himself and jumped in to try the table as a footstool, making himself look less than elegant and statesmanlike, and 'click' went the camera.

I do know that lots of advisers are around these Leaders and they look at more aspects of the meeting than the subject matter of the details of our EU exit. They do advise things like appearance and body language. It's aiming for a comparative look where one comes across as dignified, helpful and in control and tries to make the other look, well, the opposite.

The number of times one touches another, (pats on the back, guides them along when walking...) for example, denotes who is superior. The people who have this off pat are the Americans. The George W Bush people had him shaking hands, patting backs/shoulders putting his arm arm round Putin to guide him along... I suppose it was necessary to try and mitigate what came out of his mouth!

It isn't a question of a "set up"Minniemoo but of two men meeting in what is supposed to be a dignified and statesman-like serious discussion. One of them makes an off-the-cuff remark about the tables and the other one behaves like a schoolboy set a dare and does what he suggests. Who comes out best from this encounter?

Dyffryn. Thank you.

trisher
Thanks, I will look for the programme. I agree, it really frightens me.

quizqueen

It is you who is entirely wrong! I never mentioned conservative voting in respect of mumsnet. How on earth did you make that leap?

In fact you have done what the people on the thread I was asked to see were doing: You did not read what was actually written and jumped to your completely wrong conclusion.
You then went ahead to slate me for somethingI had not said!

How on earth do you get to saying "I think you will find that almost everyone on mumsnet does NOT vote Conservative,"
and that am "entirely wrong in that respect," when I did not even say anything about how Mumsnetters vote or about their politics?

You are jumping to some very strange conclusion!!

Just as you made your own conclusion when you said; " and how disrespectful is it to suggest you have to be a horrible person to vote for Boris."

I simply listed the some of the things we know about Johnson. It was you who jumped to the conclusion that, knowing he behaves in those ways, you have to be a horrible person to vote for him!! You made that idea up yourself. On your own. I did not say it. I just listed the facts.

Sighs. Do people honestly believe that Macron set this up? What strange minds some people have.

You can explain it away as much as you like the fact is Boris fell for a Macron comment that led him to being photographed in a highly undignified position. Now if he was trying to bond in some way with Macron, trying to show he has a sense of humour or it was simply the usual Boris blunder I don't know. What I do know is that if this is an example of his negotiating skills it doesn't bode well for the promised new deal.

Take your point Beckett - I was just trying to draw a line under the furore apparently occasioned by a non- story!
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quizqueen, I have been doing some homework on the 3 serving police officers you state were killed by people not originating from the UK.

Unfortunately, in spite of my studies, I can't actually find any information.

GabriellaG54. Apologies if that bothers you. Didn't mean it to.

Neilspurgeon0. Many thanks for answering my question and taking me sincerely. I'm truly grateful for your very helpful reply. I don't understand how by refusing a backstop Boris can prevent a hard border. I'm not trying to be clever, I am just saying I don't understand. Thanks again, it's so good when we can ask each other things and get answers that are filled with facts and are courteous!

MawB This has been explained several times on this thread but it seems some posters choose to ignore it. I am no fan of Johnson but the over-reaction to this is a complete farce.

When Boris Johnson put his foot on Emmanuel Macron’s table, it was like a Rorschach test. People saw what they wanted to see. Leavers congratulated the PM for sticking it to the French; Remainers were appalled: “It just shows a complete arrogance and disrespect,” said Alastair Campbell.
“Fake news!” as Donald Trump might shout.
It actually showed two men sharing a joke.
Here’s what happened. Johnson and Macron were sitting in the Élysée Palace, a stunning 18th-century building that for some reason has been stuffed with furniture that looks stolen from a budget hotel. The two men were confronted with a table – squat, ugly, green. “It could be a footstool”, said Macron. “You could put your foot on it.”
So Boris did. Cameras flashed
Many assumed the Prime Minister was being rude; in fact, he was responding to a joke
But oh the pearl clutching it has generated
Much Ado About Nothing

Tillybelle, I agree with you totally.

Tillybelle...I think you will find that almost everyone on mumsnet does NOT vote Conservative, judging by their political comments, so you are entirely wrong in that respect, and how disrespectful is it to suggest you have to be a horrible person to vote for Boris.

It was a set up-do your homework before you comment.I thought it was the Leavers who didn't know anything!

lemon I was never shocked just mildly surprised that Boris really can't manage to maintain a dignified appearance for more than a minute. I am wondering about what would have been said if Corbyn hd been pictured in a similar situation!!

I was too hasty.
I didn't find it awfully funny though.

Neilspurgeon0 There was a programme on BBC recently about the Irish border and the horrific events in its history. Irish business people may find workable solutions but let's hope that the cost in lives and tragedy is nothing like in the past. Unfortunately there is no indication that there will not be a return to the days of violence and only remaining in the EU could prevent this.

Have the posters who were shocked to the core ( ! ) that Johnson lifted his foot up for a second now had time to watch the entire thing, and if so perhaps they now have time to admit they were far too hasty.
#won’tholdmybreath

Yes Tillybell Mr. Johnson categorically stated that the U.K. will not set up any form of checks on the Irish Border. There are farms in the six counties that actually have fields in both sides of the border and sell milk across to border both ways. If the EU plan to put up the sort of road blocks that the IRA used in Armagh in the seventies the PSNI and the Guardi will remove them, just as they did back at the times of the troubles and 1916. Ireland has overcome much much worse problems many times before and while I have no doubt that sneaky politicians on all sides will try to gain points by scoring off each other, more intelligent Irish business people will find workable solutions as they have ever since the time of Cromwell.

You're very wordy Tillybelle ??

I like the way she insists on speaking her mother tongue......or it could be a cunning plan to buy her that 2 second time delay before the translation reaches her.

Please do not take this as an anti-German rant!! It is nothing of the sort! You'd know, if you met me, that all the people who know me, know I am very pro Germany, its people and government!

It was merely the very strange coincidence!! Who would imagine that the two most unlikely people to become leaders have this in common? Especially as it is unusual for an American President, so I am told.

Actually I am in admiration for the Germans and Angela Merkel is extremely high in my regard!! If only she could come and help us out!!

(for some reason when I try to press caps for G it doesn't stay down! Sorry!)

grandtanteJE65

I could not agree more!

I sometimes get a creepy "Conspiracy Theory" fear come over me that the Lunatics have taken over the asylum. It's so weird that both Johnson and Trump's close ancestors come from Germany. Johnson's are german on one side and Turkish on the other and it's not that far back.

I get very morose sometimes about how people behave today and what they believe. To vote for Johnson who is a proven liar and has lost his job for it. To vote for Trump who is a proven liar and owes people so much money because he does not pay the builders and construction people for his Towers etc, yet he gets away with it! It is crazy! Today I was asked to take a look at something on Mumsnet, it horrified me. There were about 23 pages almost all from people being incredibly cruel and strongly opinionated towards the girl who naively asked a question about mat=rrying a man who already had children although he had not married their mother and she had left him for another long before this girl met him. The people were tearing her into shreds with the most horrendous names and swearing and making huge judgements about her. They were not answering her question, just giving her the most terrible battering they could muster. The terrible part was, they were imagining things about her which could not possibly be true. They had not read the facts and addressed the issue she raised. They just jumped to conclusions and used her to throw all their nastiest venom at!

I despair about people! When I read that, which I was asked to look at, I just kept thinking; these people vote. They probably vote for people like Boris Johnson. There is no hope. The lunatics have taken over. we are in the hands of incompetent, lying, scurrilous, self interested, untrustworthy thugs.
*Boris has*;
- been fired twice for lying to his bosses
- lied in his newspaper columns and was been forced to publicly apologise
- has been accused of attempting to blackmail the head of a national media organisation by his former boss.
- was unable to deny the role he played in planning to have a journalist beaten up
- boasted of “sticking up for the bankers” more than anyone else after the financial crisis.
- his first announcement was to give the wealthiest in society, including himself, a £3,000 tax break.

Don't you just love him?

What have we done to deserve two louts like Donald Trump and Boris Johnson in office?