Second lockdown

Thank you Chewbacca there just doesn't seem to be any sense in this to me.

I sympathise AGAA4, it must seem grossly unfair and in my post @ 14.29 today, I raised the same question. Simply leaving the decision to individuals, as to whether they should be travelling, particularly to and through areas that are experiencing local lockdown, isn't really working is it? It must be very frustrating for you.

I live in a lockdown area of North Wales. I am not allowed to leave my area but people from England can drive in from anywhere and go anywhere they like in Wales. Surely allowing people to move around the UK will help to spread the virus.

Pippa000

Callistemon, apparently people in lockdown areas in England can go on holiday anywhere in uk. Where as we are not able to leave our county without a very good reason. Our First Minister has asked Boris why but has been informed that, he, Boris, is leaving travel decisions to individuals to make a judgement. We have had coach loads visiting local areas from parts of England in restricted areas.

I really don't understand why this should be so Pippa.
It's madness if visitors are allowed into your area.
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“While the introduction of the measures puts us in the same position as our neighbouring areas, it is very important that people remember that the Vale of Glamorgan and Cardiff, and indeed any other county, are separate places. Movement across the boundaries is now prohibited for any reason that is not exempt. This includes exercise and leisure, which should now be taken solely within the Vale of Glamorgan for Vale of Glamorgan residents.^

Are they not stopping people on the roads as they did when people made unnecessary journeys earlier this year?

Summerlove- got it in one.

Jane10

But Chewbacca we've been given directions umpteen times. We know what to do and what not to do. It's up to individuals to get on with it bearing that in mind.

And people still chose to decide “I know what’s best for me” to hell with everyone else.

But Chewbacca we've been given directions umpteen times. We know what to do and what not to do. It's up to individuals to get on with it bearing that in mind.

I agree to a point Jane10 but it would be helpful to have some directions given by those who are supposed to be leading us out of this. Simply saying "I'm leaving it up to the individuals to make a judgement" is what's got us in the pickle we're in now. I sympathise with those in Wales who have been put in lockdown but see a steady stream of visitors trailing through their counties, possibly bring the virus with them.

Very easy to criticise. Nothing much seems to work or make much difference. We're not a compliant country like North Korea.

Boris, is leaving travel decisions to individuals to make a judgement

I interpret this as Boris speak for "I haven't a clue what to do".

Maybe it's a compromise between those sheep like creatures who want to be told what to do and the very assertive types who want to get on with life and let the oldies shield. He's getting it in the neck from both sides and can't win.
Personally, I'm very careful, follow the rules and think very carefully about the environments I go into. It's a sort of sub shielding. My choice. However, I'm glad to see my ACs and DGSs out and about and going to work and school. We can meet up in a restaurant near us which has good Covid standards.

...... has been informed that, he, Boris, is leaving travel decisions to individuals to make a judgement”

This is the central problem with the National Govt’s policy along. As soon as I heard BJ talking about the “good sense of the British public” when restrictions were lifted months ago, I knew we were in trouble. Of course many people will interpret “guidance” to suit their own needs and wants. It’s a complete abrogation of government responsibility.

I don't understand why Glasgow isn't in a serious lockdown. According to the tracker app there are 4345 active cases there today. If I lived in Glasgow I'd not be going out much!!

Callistemon, apparently people in lockdown areas in England can go on holiday anywhere in uk. Where as we are not able to leave our county without a very good reason. Our First Minister has asked Boris why but has been informed that, he, Boris, is leaving travel decisions to individuals to make a judgement. We have had coach loads visiting local areas from parts of England in restricted areas.

Most people are NOT selfish. They are trying to live their lives, coping with the ever-changing and so confusing and conflicting advise the best they can.
Following the science is one of the biggest hoaxes we have, different scientists give totally different advice - you can take your choice.
If you feel particularly vulnerable, and have been terrified by daily figures (strange we do not and never have been given those for any other killer illnesses), and you are able, then stay at home.
However, for millions their homes have become like little prisons, family breakdowns are running out of control, abuse within the homes both between adults and to children is ever-increasing. Suicide rates have never been high AND as yet, the really bad times have not come.......
Once all those tens of thousands of job cuts take effect, furlogh finishing, protection against eviction stops........what then......
I will be honest and say that I am , and have been, all year, far more scared of all of these things than I am of this virus, which like so many other nasty illnesses I have to learn to live with.
Easy for those of us on pensions, with no job to worry about, probably with our mortgages paid off, to sit in their homes - and good luck to them if that is what they are willing to do.....but for millions that is not an option.
If all the people looking after our utility supplies (water, electricity, gas, etc) stayed self-locked up in their homes along with truck drivers, shelf stackers, pickers for home deliveries, shop workers, etc. etc. we would all really know about society breaking down.

We are in lockdown with the highest incidence of the virus in the NE yet still I see my neighbours going off on holiday and students out partying.

I am really losing patience with these selfish people.

visitors from an infected area in England can come here

It's confusing, Pippa.
Are they allowed into your area?
Are they allowed out of their areas?

I'm in the Vale of Glamorgan, in lockdown, no going out of the county except for work or school or an exceptional reason. But visitors from an infected area in England can come here. We cannot meet in houses, except single adults on their own, or single parents can bubble with one other household. However long this goes on for, we just have to accept that this may be the way of life for some time. At least I can now meet up with a family member, and have another human to talk to. My dog is great company but her conversation is limited.

Motherduck
Sending you love and hugs. ????

I think there is a problem with picking up grandchildren because if granny older generation collects grandchildren there is a risk of coronavirus from the school children but the government never seem to mention this it’s all can grandparents help out !!

motherduck I am so sorry for your situation and I'm sorry I complained about not being able to see my daughter this weekend your situation has pulled me up short. I send you and your daughter my very best wishes.

Motherduck thinking of you and your daughter.

Paperbackwriter, yep there are a load of positive tests at a meat packing plant in Cornwall. What I meant was that in my area we're not being threatened with a lockdown (yet).

Gizzy48 Sorry only just seen your post. I was told in advance by my surgery and Consultant that I was in high risk group and would therefore be receiving a shielding letter, which duly arrived and shortly after heard from major supermarkets that I was on the shielded list.

I live in Wales and mid August received a letter which was identical to my neighbour’s letter (she had also been shielding). This told us that shielding was now lifted and that we could go out, that chemist deliveries would stop shortly, but that we might have to go back into shielding should it be deemed necessary. My medication/medical condition has not varied much over 20 years or so. Although no longer shielding I am still classed as a vulnerable over 70. The difference being that I can now go out to shops etc. In fact I don’t, we have everything delivered, but I do enjoy walks etc, which I couldn’t do before. As it happens we now are back in stricter measures, but that is as a county not as a result of shielding. I understand that currently there are no plans to re-introduce it. I thought that the shielding concept was the same for all the UK, indeed friends in England came out of shielding before we did. Hope that clarifies the situation for you.

Mother duck my heartfelt prayers ? are with you and yours.?