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Compulsory vacinating for front line medical staff

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Yammy Wed 10-Nov-21 14:17:40

I have just heard on the news that today is the last day for Care home workers only to be able to work if fully vaccinated. The government are hoping to bring in the same measure for front line medical staff by the Spring.
This will mean that both sectors who are already short staffed might be even more so.
Is it a loss of civil liberty as some unions are saying ?
In France when the measure was brought in uptake shot up to about 99%.
Having lived with and know a lot of medical staff who have always had to be vacinated against Hepatitis B to be able to work in thier field. I am all for it and think maybe teachers should be included as well.
How do others feel?

Grannmarie Wed 10-Nov-21 19:45:14

dilemnas...

Margiknot Thu 11-Nov-21 12:45:08

I agree with you M0nica that it tends to be nhs staff with no or minimal medical training that have refused to be vaccinated. Many non clinical staff do have patient contact- clerks, porters cleaners etc - many are in higher risk groups.
A doctor on the TV News argued that as she had recently had Covid she did not need a vaccine. I wonder if staff who can prove they have Covid antibodies from natural infection might also be acceptable.
I often hear the argument that as the vaccine doesn’t stop people catching Covid and spreading it - implying what’s the point of mandating a vaccine that only protects the vaccinated from serious illness not the potential people that they could spread it to. At least I think that is the argument! However statistics clearly show that fully vaccinated ( and boosted) people are much less likely to catch Covid in the first place. All nhs staff have to do mandatory Covid tests.

M0nica Thu 11-Nov-21 14:41:03

I notic, yet again, that Biscuitmuncher is very good at asking questions but doesn't like answering them!

foxie48 Thu 11-Nov-21 15:02:34

HowVeryDareYou

My friend was in hospital recently and said that quite a few carers and nurses haven't had the vaccine, but that they all wear all the protective gear - aprons, gloves, masks, face shields too, so what's the problem? She had physiotherapy at home, and the physiotherapists wore all that gear as well.

My doctor daughter said the greatest risk of catching covid when she was at work was from other staff when they took off their protective gear. She worked on Covid intensive ITUs and said some of the nurses were very careless in how t.hey changed after a shift making themselves and anyone else in their vicinity vulnerable to infection. Being properly vaccinated significantly reduces the viral load should someone be infectious. It's not rocket science!

JenniferEccles Thu 11-Nov-21 15:41:55

I noticed too MOnica
I guess it’s because there ARE no answers, or at least none which make sense, or would stand up to scrutiny.
It’s been proven that the vaccines work and that they are safe. That’s enough for the vast majority of us thankfully.

Yammy Thu 11-Nov-21 18:20:48

Biscuitmuncher

Do none of you wonder why these obviously educated medical professionals dont want the vaccine?

My DH friend was a Medical Professor in Manchester he died of Covid before he could get all three vacs. His family appealed for everyone to take it up.

Germanshepherdsmum Thu 11-Nov-21 18:49:53

Yammy Biscuitmuncher has form for chucking a controversial brick and vanishing into the ether. Presumably gets a kick out of it.
So sorry about your husband’s friend. People can be unbelievably stupid.?

varian Thu 11-Nov-21 19:10:20

So called carers who refuse vaccination clearly don't care.

Jaxjacky Thu 11-Nov-21 19:51:02

Vaccines are for the protection of those who have no choice by those that do have a choice.

theworriedwell Thu 11-Nov-21 19:57:53

I believe the last person in UK to die of smallpox was a woman in Birmingham. It was an accidental infection in a laboratory. Very sad, it was in 1978. Her name was Janet Parker.

M0nica Thu 11-Nov-21 21:47:51

Margiknot I do not understand the logic of people who cannot see that whether the vaccination stops spread or not, the fact that you are likely to only have a mild attack of the disease and that you are unlikely to die or be seriously disabled by the disease was cause enough for being vaccinated.

And as you said, incidence of COVID among the vaccinated is much lower anyway.