Where are Chris Whitty and Patrick Valance??? Are they locked away at the Tower of London under Boris' orders?...

Alegrias1

Does he?

Then excuse me, but ask him about the difference between date of reporting and date of test.

Then ask him about how there is a weekly cadence to the number of tests carried out.

Then ask him if he believes everything they tell him on the news is unassailable truth and whether reporters, who are usually arts and humanities graduates, are often mathematically challenged.

Finally, ask him if he thinks that its important that the population have accurate statistics on which to base their assessments of the situation of if they are allowed to make their own ideas up about the progress of the pandemic irrespective of the actual situation.

Sorry, expecting people to base their ideas on truth rather than misunderstanding seems to be a bit awkward for you.

This is why we need to hear from Sir Chris Whitty and Patrick Vallance, who have all the data and are qualified to interpret it for us.

Or me ?

Alegrias1

Or me ?

You mean we should just listen to an anonymous person on the internet? Surely that isn’t a very scientific approach?

Jings, it was a joke.

But my mathematical analysis skills are legendary...

(another piece of lighthearted repartee, just for clarity!)

I’m missing Jonathan Van Tamm. He always seems like the voice of reason to me. But def respect the opinions of Chris Whitty and Patrick Valance too. Keeping them well hidden I think.

So many more people I know seem to have covid at the moment - way more than a month ago. What’s also interesting is that people I speak to say they either haven’t or wouldn’t bother to report positive cases now, because of there being no need for a PCR. So sadly maybe the numbers are much higher than is officially being reported.

Although the cases may be high, hospital numbers are down and ITU numbers are the lowest they've been since July. Deaths from all causes are running at about the five year average.

So if there are even more cases than we think there are, then Covid is even less dangerous than we think.

(Tin hat on, awaits incoming on theme of covid denying)

Alegrias1

Although the cases may be high, hospital numbers are down and ITU numbers are the lowest they've been since July. Deaths from all causes are running at about the five year average.

So if there are even more cases than we think there are, then Covid is even less dangerous than we think.

(Tin hat on, awaits incoming on theme of covid denying)

If so, should young children be vaccinated?

I don't know.

I'm not an epidemiologist.

They will be getting on with their usual 'day jobs' of course!

Vallance and his day job.

Alegrias1

I don't know.

I'm not an epidemiologist.

Treat it as an ethical question!

Callistemon21

Alegrias1

I don't know.

I'm not an epidemiologist.

Treat it as an ethical question!

Then I would want to know the risks to children of the vaccine, against the risks they have from Covid, including Long Covid, and I would want to know the effect on transmission. Then I'd weigh it up.

Other countries have been vaccinating children five years old and up for a while now. I don’t know if we should vaccinate children either, but the evidence from elsewhere seems to suggest that the vast majority of children are fine with the vaccination. A few get inflammation of the heart and are treated in hospital with a good outcome.

It’s as if the government have given up on Covid. And yet my grandsons primary school have a sharp increase in infections. Lots of children off with Covid. And worryingly five teachers too who have all been triple jabbed

Probably more studies are needed to answer all the questions about the vaccination of young children.

Professor Sir Jonathan Van-Tam will step down as Deputy Chief Medical Officer for England at the end of March 2022 to take up a new role at the University of Nottingham.

Alegrias1

Callistemon21

Alegrias1

I don't know.

I'm not an epidemiologist.

Treat it as an ethical question!

Then I would want to know the risks to children of the vaccine, against the risks they have from Covid, including Long Covid, and I would want to know the effect on transmission. Then I'd weigh it up.

I would not want "protecting your grandparents" to be used as pressure either.

I would if the other aspects were in support of that idea. In other words, if the risks to children were miniscule but the chance of preventing granny from getting Covid was overwhelming.

I agree with maddyone, both her posts.

The question was where these two wonderful Scientist have disappeared to, why has everyone gone off the subject.
We miss these men and their superior knowledge,lets hope we see them soon

I watch indie_sage on YouTube at 1.30 on fridays you get to hear the truth off these people.i would not listen to anyone else,the government are not telling these scientists what to say.

JVT gave an excellent series of Royal Institution Xmas lectures about viruses on TV but otherwise both of them have not been visible lately. Of course they have jobs to do as well as appearing at No 10 briefings but they may be conveniently absent during the lifting of plan B restrictions by our Great Leader.

In Bristol they are shipping patients shortly due for discharge to hotels, to make room in the hospital for Covid and urgent cases. More cost. Case rates are still rising in parts of the South West.

DiscoDancer1975

Alegrias1

Does he?

Then excuse me, but ask him about the difference between date of reporting and date of test.

Then ask him about how there is a weekly cadence to the number of tests carried out.

Then ask him if he believes everything they tell him on the news is unassailable truth and whether reporters, who are usually arts and humanities graduates, are often mathematically challenged.

Finally, ask him if he thinks that its important that the population have accurate statistics on which to base their assessments of the situation of if they are allowed to make their own ideas up about the progress of the pandemic irrespective of the actual situation.

Sorry, expecting people to base their ideas on truth rather than misunderstanding seems to be a bit awkward for you.

This is why we need to hear from Sir Chris Whitty and Patrick Vallance, who have all the data and are qualified to interpret it for us.

THIS, exactly. The fact Vallance will be taking up a new positions end of March, is irrelevant NOW, at the end of January- and as all restrictions are being lifted in England.

We should be asking our MPs, the Press, QT, etc.

Not only are the cases flatlining, we’ve been allowed tomix freely since December when Boris lifted restrictions in England. Great news.