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Do you find estrangement is the gift that keeps on giving.....?

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Namsnanny Mon 27-Mar-23 18:58:56

I'm so upset at the moment. I cant stop pacing about and crying.

I'm hoping if I write this down I can at least calm down enough to stop crying.

My EAC who I havent spoken to for around 4 years (they estranged us). Has just rung to inform us that my Husbands brothers 4th wife has died, whom we have only met 2/3 times.

I answered the phone, not knowing who was on the line, and was asked to put 'Dad' on. I was so slow in the uptake that I asked who was calling, I couldn't quite grasp who was speaking.
EAC barked their name and repeated the question.
I passed the phone over to my husband, telling him who it was.

He said Thank you so much for letting me know and used a pet name.

I feel betrayed by his congenial attitude to EAC.

Now I know this is unreasonable, but it's how I feel.

I stress I wouldn't want him to be confrontational or aggressive in anyway (thats not his nature anyway) but a more neutral tone, after all weve been through would have sufficed.

Afterall, the past years have been hell.

EAC had a child we were not allowed to know about.
Well, they didn't care enough about us, to care whether we knew or not. They just informed people it wasn't necessary for them to tell us as we wouldn't be involved in the childs life.

I have suggested family don't talk to us about the child to save myself from more pain.
But some keep sidling up to us, at family gatherings, with photos, ' thought you might like this?' As if they are selling me a dodgy watch.
No, why would I want to torture myself with an image when I'm not allowed to see the real thing?angry
Therefore I dont know gender age or name of a GC whom I love anyway.

It seems as if my EAC has chosen or been co opted or who knows what, to pass on information to us.
Even though EAC chooses not to ever involve us in their lives.

Why would EAC be so crass as to get in the middle of this,
on behalf of a distant relative who quite frankly, couldnt give a damn about EAC, my husband, or myself?

It feels like such an attack. So cruel. If they want to be estranged then be estranged!!

Couldn't BIL either a) not tell us b) write to us c) ask other members of the family he knows we have contact with, to inform us?

The brother and his family didnt' want to come to any Christenings, birthdays ect that we invited them to down the years. In fact I did most of the contact between us all. Even helping out when his 3rd wife was terminally ill.

He remarried soon after her death to someone he already knew.

It was then I grew weary of trying to engage, and left it up to my Husband to do the Christmas card thing ect. Well, he isnt very proactive in that dept so I (quietly and quite happily I admit) let the relationship drift.
He had his new life, we didn't need to worry about them.

Funnily enough, BIL has been more proactive with other family members since his latest marriage. But unfortunately he spends his time boasting about his new wife having quite a bit of money and a couple of villas abroad. He also gives long commentaries about their sex life!envy envy. (sorry the only green faced icon here is for envy, not for violently vomiting)
Another reason I was happy to swerve them.

Its all come on the back of the death of a beloved Aunt. Somewhat out of the blue.
I'm one of the executors.

I'm not a beneficiary.
The beneficiary jumped in as soon as the death was announced (autopsy was required, so long wait for that to finished) and told various relatives to 'help themselves'
Now I'm to blame for not knowing who has what.
Important papers, jewellery, ect are missing.
Neighbours nurses and doctors were in and out of the premises.
The other extecutors and I have been advised by Police to give permission for them to investigate.

Thank goodness I didn't have a key (even though Aunt often asked me to).

Such a sordid fiasco. Exactly the opposite of what my dear Aunt would have wanted.
Oh dear how did all this family upset happen?

I keep repeating to myself throughout the process (which isnt over yet) 'at least I'm coping'.
But I'm not so sure now.

DiamondLily Thu 30-Mar-23 08:20:37

That's ok. All estranged parents can do is learn to accept that you cannot change the behaviour of others, even adult children, and adapt to a different life (to how you thought it would be).

We're lucky, as we have a full life, and have never "lived just through the children". There's always some drama going on with all the others to keep us awake lol 😬

Our GCs, his and mine, are adult now, so any decisions they make are theirs.

I have got incredibly angry about DH's kids - his health isn't good, and I could well do without sulking, stroppy ACs adding to the fray 🙄. I don't know what motivates them, and I'm past caring now.

But, it is what is, and life goes on really.

Hope you and DH find contentment, regardless of what others are doing.😉

Smileless2012 Thu 30-Mar-23 09:08:21

But, it is what it is, and life goes on really and after all the talking and tears that are shed, that's what it comes down too. Our lives go on without them just as their lives go on without us.

DiamondLily Thu 30-Mar-23 14:23:33

Yeah, it's sad though. DH commented today that with his parents and siblings dead, me and "my lot" are all he's got really now, other than friends.

Although "my lot" love him, as he does them, I do get that it's not the same as his own children, of course.

But, he's decided to drop the rope and let them get on with it now, which I think is best.

There used to be a saying that children can break your arms, carrying them, when they are little...and then break your heart when they are older. Something like that.😗

IrishDancing Thu 30-Mar-23 15:06:22

Oh Namsnanny my heart was breaking for you as I read your OP. I’m not estranged from my AC but from my brother for more than twenty years. The last time I saw him was at my mother’s funeral. I have tried over the years but no response. I have no idea why. But you, many of you, have much worse to cope with and my heart goes out to you all. I’m so glad you have your DH, united you stand, and can talk it over together. I just wish somehow it would all come right for you. flowers

Namsnanny Thu 30-Mar-23 22:39:09

DL...There used to be a saying that children can break your arms as you carry them as children, then break your heart when they're older.

I remember hearing that when mine were little. I was so arrogant, I thought that would never happen to us shock blush

Yes Smileless we have no choice but to keep our chin up do we?

Smileless2012 Thu 30-Mar-23 22:45:59

No Namsnanny you weren't arrogant. You were and are loving parents who never in their worse nightmare would have thought this could happen. Arrogance has nothing to do with itflowers.

Allsorts Sat 01-Apr-23 17:30:53

Yes Smileless their lives go on without us. It’s what they wanted and we have to go on. They don’t know the heartache they cause.
Irish Dancing, I do hope you have other family, it must be hard not to know why the brother you love has cut off. Life is too short for all this.
I miss my dh every day, he would have been my support. He wouldn’t have stood the nonsense I did but he couldn't have prevented it, she waited until he had died just months before she cut contact, there again if she had done it when he was very Ill that would have been even harder,

Namsnanny Thu 06-Apr-23 14:13:31

IrishDancing

Oh Namsnanny my heart was breaking for you as I read your OP. I’m not estranged from my AC but from my brother for more than twenty years. The last time I saw him was at my mother’s funeral. I have tried over the years but no response. I have no idea why. But you, many of you, have much worse to cope with and my heart goes out to you all. I’m so glad you have your DH, united you stand, and can talk it over together. I just wish somehow it would all come right for you. flowers

I just wish somehow it would all come right for you

What a lovely selfless thing to wish for flowers

I hope you can come to terms with the fact that this is your brothers way of dealing with his own difficulties.

Namsnanny Thu 06-Apr-23 15:02:45

Smileless2012

No Namsnanny you weren't arrogant. You were and are loving parents who never in their worse nightmare would have thought this could happen. Arrogance has nothing to do with itflowers.

Thanks so much for this clear headed view of the situation.

As you no doubt know from experience, over thinking all the ramifications of the past or future encounters does lead to sitting at the bottom of a rabbit hole filled with depression.

Having you (and indeed everyone on here) acting as a sounding board really is so positive.

Sincerely I can't Thank you enough. flowers

Namsnanny Thu 06-Apr-23 15:27:46

Allsorts

Yes Smileless their lives go on without us. It’s what they wanted and we have to go on. They don’t know the heartache they cause.
Irish Dancing, I do hope you have other family, it must be hard not to know why the brother you love has cut off. Life is too short for all this.
I miss my dh every day, he would have been my support. He wouldn’t have stood the nonsense I did but he couldn't have prevented it, she waited until he had died just months before she cut contact, there again if she had done it when he was very Ill that would have been even harder,

... but he couldn't have prevented it .....

That's it, isn't it? What could have prevented any of it?

If we genuinely thought we were doing the right thing for our family, why would we change a thing?

The last few years felt like a runaway train to us.

In my heart of hearts I knew the Egg shell years, wouldn't pan out in our favour.
But one always lives in hope.

How cruel Allsorts I'm glad your DH had those months without the aggravation and hurt that would have occurred.

I sometimes wonder if some people see death or illness as a weakness to exploit?
Or perhaps they think (stupid and self centred if they do), it will be used to hold them to account is some way?

Smileless2012 Thu 06-Apr-23 20:22:28

We all overthink especially in the early days, weeks, months, years of estrangement Namsnanny. We do because we love them, we want to know and understand why, but all too often there's no understanding because we don't know why and for so many, we'll never know.

Your DH never knew Allsorts and I hope you can find some comfort knowing that, but how much harder it must have been for you and anyone whose had to embark on this journey of pain, without the one you love by your sideflowers.