Thank you for the Politics thread.

Anti-Tory tirade - says it all really

No, Ana, I don't remember seeing many Conservative supporters discussing their reasons for that support, on GN, but I would be interested to read it if they did.

Please read all my post DJ. I said that I am, at the moment completely confused and uncertain on the best way forward on Brexit and was looking to posers on this thread to put forward ideas for me to consider and respond to in order to develop my own ideas.

A tirade is a speech/post of criticism and/or disapproval, so takes only one person and a discussion starts with one person putting forward some ideas for the consideration of others.

I have suddenly realised that by writing the above I am contributing to those facets of current GN political discussions I criticise further up, bickering between individuals rather than substantive discussion on matters of note. I am off to something more meaningful and interesting, like cleaning the kitchen and won't be back.

Monica please dont let the bullies win, you know some on here cant stand anyone not hanging on their every word. Just remember you should feel sorry for bullies because their lives are so rotten and full of hate and rage that they don't have the ability to understand that other people are entitled to a view too ( bit like a 2 year old) Enjoy having a sparkling clean kitchen &

.grannypiper, well said

M0nica I think complaining that there is not enough information and that you find a thread one sided should, as you suggest, make anyone of us go out and get information and bring it back for us all not wait for the tide to change.

No one is bullying grannypiper but you are whatifering and distracting from what is a very good thread.

Thank you for this thread Nandalot. I am certainly grateful for what I have learned from those prepared to spend their time informing us. If it appears to be one-sided on any thread then surely it is for those who know - or can find - the other side of the discussion to do so. You really can't expect just a few people to do all the research for you.

As for the other side of the Brexit argument you are on, there were four people talking about it on 'Today' this morning. Mandelson had suggestions to make; Gove and Boris were all cant and obfuscation and Nick Clegg also made suggestions. If I had time I would go back to the broadcast, as I have done in the past, and type it up for you but sadly I don't today so anyone who wants to tell me that my opinion, based on the fact of having heard these, is wrong, actually needs to go and listen for themselves.

grannypiper what on earth brought that dare I say 'tirade' on? Wow wow and wow again and here's another wow for good measure.

rigby I named no-one but if you feel my post was aimed at you i must have touched a nerve. Everyone is entitled to post their thoughts on here without being shouted down by people with a different outlook. Monica's veiws are as important as evry other Gnetter's.
Certainly no tirade from me this morning, just a calm post saying the bullies are a disgrace and i am sure the majority on here agree.

Oh here go again - making up what my post said - where on earth did I say i thought your post was aimed at me? Am I not allowed to have a response to a post aimed not at a specific person but was just a generalised tirade? That's the second time today that a GNer has deliberately misread a post of mine and then had a go at me for saying something I never said. It smacks of desperation - so desperate to have a go at me that some posters read what they want to read.

No one should tolerate bullying grannypiper, but equally no one should be expected to tolerate prejudice (opinion not based on fact) which is what your "Monica please dont let the bullies win" appears to be. If you can back it up please point out the post, either on this thread or elsewhere and I will, personally, report it to GNHQ.

If however you are just being intolerant of others opinions I suggest you withdraw you accusation - whoever you were intending to attack.

grannypiper, thank you for your concern, I have not been bullied off that this thread, I have just decided that my time is better spent on other threads.

Monica, you complained about a thread not being what you thought it was about.
Then you said that when you complained about it there was only one post on it.

Sorry, but this does not make sense to me. It wasn't a thread if there was only the OP on it. If it was the OP and the second one, which was mine, all I said was May being replaced by Hammond, so how was that an anti-tory tirade?

Please can you explain a bit more, as I really am confused.

But when I opened it I discovered is just another anti-Tory tirade (it would have made no difference if it had been anti-Labour) and that the last thing it is likely to be is a sensible and reasoned discussion about the negotiations for Brexit

Sorry, but to work that out with just one post on is ridiculous.
If you don't join in, then of course it's going to be one-sided. It's called self-fulfilling prophecy.

I had never heard of the Joseph Rowntree Foundation until they very kindly paid the court fees of Carmichael the MP who was accused of lying ...not just lying actually making up a story and then saying it had been leaked about our FM and the french diplommat she hhad a conversation with.Mr Carmichael was found guilty of the lies but the judge in all his wisdom pronounced that he hadn't broken the law BUT he would have to pay his own costs .Good old JRF paid them for him.So not sure what I would believe if they were the source given they seem happy to fund proven liars

Well as the evil bullying person who wrote the OP may I say I was astonished at MOnica's reaction - my OP was factual - about the utter mess the Government is in at the commencement of the Brexit negotiations - not a tirade at all. But then, it seems like another deliberate misreading/interpretation of one of my posts. Getting to be a bit of habit on here isn't it? Some might even call it a form of bullying.

paddy wrong thread?

But I was so intrigued by what you posted, I googled it and was a bit understatement

Not the same at all,paddy.

www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwignNr5lsrUAhVrBMAKHbZcDCwQFggpMAE&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.wired-gov.net%2Fwg%2Fnews.nsf%2Farticles%2FJRF%2Bstatement%2Bon%2BJoseph%2BRowntree%2BReform%2BTrust%2Band%2BAlistair%2BCarmichael%2BMP%2B29032016103500%3Fopen&usg=AFQjCNF88fjerW_Jlq57Ko9vOpS9B2fLlw

JRRT is not a charity. Joseph Rowntree Foundation does research into poverty and housing.
The only thing they have in common is that they were set up by Joseph Rowntree.

JRRT is to reform politics, and they are nearly all Libdems.
JRF is a charity and non-political.

Paddy when Nicola sturgeon indicated to the French diplomat that she would prefer Cameron to Milliband as PM, it was one of the rare occassions she spoke the truth. The court found that, when it was reported to Alastair Carmichael, he believed it was true, as many of us still do. The actual words quoted may not have been word for word what she said but the meaning was clear, reflecting the deviousness of NS. Her separatist agenda was greatly assisted by having Tories in government.

Alastair Carmichael was vindicated by the Scottish court and returned at the last election with an increased majority in spite of vicious targetting by the nationalists. His own constituents who know him best have shown that they believe in him. It is time the SNP stopped making false accusations and put their own house in order.

I think the political threads on Gransnet are very informative. They summarise many viewpoints and are often well researched with links you might not have been aware of. Although there are spats on the threads they never become really abusive unlike some on twitter or Facebook.
It's a great way of keeping abreast of the latest news too. The posts make you think, so I do contribute sometimes.
Keep it up gransnetters!

Thanks for clarification dj it is clear that the two organisations get mixed up . Mostly

GGMK2 I didnt attack anyone i pointed out that certain members can't cope if someone has a opposing view to theirs(like 2 year olds). The way certain members shout down others for daring to differ is a form of bullying.

Sorry grannypiper but when you are in a hole

Grannypiper, did you or did you not say "please don't let the bullies win". You have attacked some amorphous person/people but have not been prepared to back your attack with facts.

Perhaps you feel I should just have agreed with you; that you are entitled to have such statements respected and agreed with but you are not - back it with facts and I will agree. Show me where people are 'shouted down' and I will report it.

'I didn't attack anyone...''the way certain members shout down anyone' ..... I actually think grannypiper that some of your posts exhibit exactly the characteristics you claim to find so unacceptable in others. As I said above, you misrepresented one of my posts so that you could unwarrentedly criticise me. You complain, criticise and misrepresent and then when challenged to provide evidence you just go back to complaining, criticising, misrepresenting.. even MOnica denied she had been bullied off the thread.