Now Sajid Javid suffers racist abuse from Corbyn supporters.

Racist abuse should not be even remotely tolerated, never mind where it comes from or to whom it is directed. It should be an absolute No No along with anti semitism, and stamped on vigorously wherever it occurs by EVERYONE, including JC!

"Don’t believe everything you read in the Daily Mail. What side of the political fence do you think they are on and likewise Day6"

I was waiting or someone to point out the link was to the dreaded Daily Mail. Bingo. Didn't have to wait long.

Sadly, it happened, no matter which rag or online source reports it. I checked there were others. Left wing loving papers are likely to hide the fact that Labour supporters are thuggish and Corbyn is doing his usual weasly squirming. He is unable to denounce far left racists who support him or anti- Semites.

That's the concern.

No concern for Javid but OMG - it's from the Daily Mail!

What troubles me is defending Corbyn for not speaking out is defending those who posted the racist attacks .

Calling a man Uncle Tom isn't as bad as calling someone a neo facist ?

Calling a man a coconut can be ignored because Thatcher was condemned for calling a man a terrorist ?

Please don't do this

Mr Corbyn would have leapt to his feet to roundly denounce this racist offensive language in no uncertain terms and make it quite clear that this was totally unacceptable wherever it was coming from!

Exactly nigglynellie
How hard could that be?

Isn't that a first reaction from anyone who abhors racism? I am failing to understand Corbyn's silence. In the wake of the anti-semitism horror it would have been a simple, easy step to confirm it bothered him and it was unacceptable.

But he couldn't be bothered. He will back anyone who supports him, no matter how nasty, it would seem. That is a concern.

What troubles me is defending Corbyn for not speaking out is defending those who posted the racist attacks

Exactly Annie.

It's like nee-ner playground calling from some Corbyn supporters.

Instead of trawling through sources and digging out past parliamentary racism to deflect from Corbyn's silence (acceptance) a few posters are trying to do a cover up job.

Corbyn failed to denounce his racist supporters. Surely left wingers are concerned too? Or is Corbyn the icon beyond criticism?

anniebach Is neo facist a racist slur

No, it isn’t. But it is still a slur, and a vile one when you look at the words and deeds of neo-fascists in this country and elsewhere. The murder of Jo Cox, for example.

I’m not defending anyone. I deplore abuse from anyone, whether it is under parliamentary privilege or online or wherever.
But I think that politicians who dish out abuse themselves shouldn’t be surprised when it’s thrown back at them.

Sorry cannot agree, racism is vile, have you been subjected to it ?

A person chooses their political views, no one chooses skin colour or which country to be born in.

I accuse Corbyn of being a hypocrite, if I were black it would be excused if you called me Topsy ?

smileless: Corbyn may not know who they are yygdrasil but if they are racially abusing someone in his name and he doesn't agree with their racial slurs, he should speak out against it.

True. But if the first he has heard of it is when it is in the news, or thrown at him across the HoC, he really has to get it checked first. There are so many slurs and lies going round, you can't be sure the abuser is who they say it is.
Oh and by the way
evolvepolitics.com/eigtheen-tory-councillors-and-candidates-were-suspended-for-racism-and-abuse-last-month-alone/

Quote anniebach [More defence for racist abuse grandad1943, this is what Corbyn supporters have done to the Labour Party,] End quote.

And the Windrush scandal has demonstrated what racism has done to the Conservative party. Total Conservative party membership down to now around seventy thousand with an average age of seventy one. Many of those seem to want a return to a Britain of totally white faces all with BBC accents.

In the above, they care little for the lives they have wrecked among people who were invited here to help rebuild the UK economy following the second world war. Since 2014 those people have been seen as "soft targets", without papers and therefore without rights.

They were used as pawns in "who cares and anything goes" attitude by the Government under pressure from its grassroots pensioner membership who wish for a return to the long gone Britain of their youth.

Angela Rudd knew exactly what was going on and so did Theresa May in her time as home Secretary but did not care until they were "caught out" in their disgusting, racist abuse of people who cannot prove that they are British Citizens.

In the above, those West Indians were informed no papers were necessary at the time of their arrival in Britain, but half a century later a racist conservative government suddenly find those papers are necessary and even today deportation is still being threatened against those who cannot prove the legitimacy of their arrival.

The above are not just words in a right wing newspaper, they are carefully considered policy actions that have wrecked peoples lives and bring to mind the old adage that "actions speak far louder than words" very true to the Windrush generation.

Of course the Daily Mail printing under the orders of its extreme right wing owner from his offshore tax haven would wish to drop the actions of Windrush scandal in favour of words against a Tory minister. However, that is today's Conservative party were money is everything and people mean very little.

I appreciate he has to get it checked out, but surely even if he had been greeted with this with no previous knowledge, he would have stood up and made it quite clear that if these horrible comments were substantiated, he would condemn them in the most robust terms! But he sits on his hands, or leaves the chamber!

anniebach Sorry cannot agree, racism is vile, have you been subjected to it
Yes, actually.
A person chooses their political views, no one chooses skin colour or which country to be born in That doesn’t diminish the offensiveness of calling someone a neofascist.
I accuse Corbyn of being a hypocrite, if I were black it would be excused if you called me Topsy
That sentence defeats me Im afraid, but I’ve already said I’m not excusing, defending or condoning anyone anniebach, do you ever read other people’s posts before lashing out?

If this happened during a parliamentary debate why didn’t the Speaker intervene I wonder?

You're entitled to your view Grandad as are the rest of us on here. I think we are actually discussing the racist abuse being directed at the Home Secretary and JC's reaction to it together with the rampant anti semitism that bedevils the current Labour party.

Janeainsworth, lash out? No I did not, I gave my views on racism and those who excuse it, there is no excuse, if one thinks it is unacceptable then why not say so?

Is it not always right to condemn racist abuse and racist attacks or not?

There is a thread on Windrush

Interesting that Sajid Javid and the Daily Mail failed to mention the abuse by right wing supporters. Presumably either they find this acceptable or it is somehow different?
The only other conclusion is that racism is being played as a political card and used to disguise and draw attention away from the very real problems some people face.
From Metro
Right-wing Twitter users attacking Mr Javid included @Steve2451, who wrote: ‘Another demanding P* in power for Muslims.’
And London mayor Sadiq Khan also came in for abuse after congratulating Mr Javid on his appointment.
Flamen1944 tweeted on the timeline of former Ukip leadership candidate Anne Marie Waters: ‘A Sajid Javid and a Sadiq Khan governing in western countries — something is terrible, terrible wrong here!
‘How can it be legal for them to run for office?’
These apparently are to be ignored.

If the leaders of party's whose members racially abuse others choose to endorse or ignore their supporters comments then there is nothing other party leaders can do. In the case of the abuse of Sajid Javid, a good proportion of these horrible people support JC, and the Labour party therefore it is up to him to disown them. Anybody behaving like those while supporting the Conservative party would (I hope!) be given short shrift by its leader, likewise the Liberals. If Ukip or other right wing party leaders choose to endorse this sort of behaviour, there's nothing other leaders can do, except make it crystal clear that it will not be acceptable in their party. This is something J.C lamentably fails to do.

"Oldwoman, it has been said and wasn't condemned and you too are defending the silence"

Anniebach Can I please make it clear that my comment about it all being a conspiracy was meant as a joke (perhaps not a very good one) as some commentators are saying those posting the racist remarks "may not be Corbyn supporters"

I have mentioned before that I have been on the receiving end of racist comments - having married an immigrant so I would never defend anyone making or condoning by their silence such remarks. Mr. Javid has achieved so much through hard work and intelligence and to be called such vile names is inexcusable.

Then I apologise Oldwoman, I didn’t realise it was a joke . We must always speak out against racism, it is vile

Trisher, I am sure everyone is aware this is not the only time there has been racist verbal attacks . Justifying them is wrong in my opinion, not in yours . All Corbyn had to do was say racist abuse is wrong and the Labour Party condemns it

If as you say Trisher “presumably either they find it acceptable or it is somehow different”

We can say the same when anti racism was discussed in the house Abbott said she had been the victim of abuse, she is not of Jewish heritage is she ?

Anniebach, you state there is a thread on the Windrush generation, but I fail to see that in this section of the forum as I would love to post my thoughts on that situation. However, as this thread is about racism why not discuss those disgusting words and actions in regard to all who engage in such, be they organizations or individuals.

anniebach, you have stated that you have held membership of the Labour party for fifty years. In that, I can understand that you may not appreciate the policy changes in the party or like the leadership of Jeremy Corbyn, but you did state in a different thread that you wished to see him elected as our prime minister.

Therefore in the above, at the very least I would feel that you would wish to see balance in any discussion of the Labour leader. In that, would you not would wish to run in support of any comparison of the direct policy actions of the Conservative party and its leadership in regard to the Windrush generation and the words of some who may not even be Labour party members in regard to the new Home Secretary.

I like many do not expect the Labour party to do well today (03/05/2018) in the council elections due to the anti-Semitism publicity and Corbyns lack of charisma in parliamentary debate. However, as both of us are subscribing members of the Labour movement (you anniebach as a Labour party member an myself as a trade union member) then our ambition should surely be to ensure balance in any debate on racism.

In the above, making direct comparisons with direct racist policy actions of the Conservative party with the words of some in (and not in) the Labour party can only benefit our organization in what could be a difficult night.

Yesterday's debate was led by Diane Abbott for Labour and she did respond:

From Hansard: Ms Abbott
"I simply want to respond to the Home Secretary by saying that I have been online condemning the racist abuse against him. I know what racist abuse is. Everyone in the Opposition, without exception, condemns the names that he has been called."

All racist abuse is wrong, and there is no question that if any Labour Party member is found responsible then they should be expelled from the party. Unfortunately there is a high level of racist abuse on social media and it is especially rampant on right wing sites, which attack any person of colour, from all political parties being subjected to this daily.

I think the likes of Facebook and twitter could do more because often when you report it, they just send back that it doesn't contravene their community standards.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/sep/05/diane-abbott-more-abused-than-any-other-mps-during-election?CMP=share_btn_link

I take it these racists were all wearing big badges proclaiming support of Corbyn? I'm not a supporter but I daily watch the leader of the SNP be accused of all manner of things in the press and online...things she didn't do or say or condone .I would imagine Mr Corbyn has the same done to him.In other words disregard anything written or said in/on MSM . It's State sponsored media which is reminiscent of Pravda at its worst ,the media needs to distance itself from opinions and just supply FACTS .Then we can make up our own minds .

That's very commendable of Ms Abbott, but I still don't see why JC couldn't do as annie suggested and just condemn racism wherever it comes from and to wherever it is directed regardless of party.