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Stopping discrimination against transwomen

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FarNorth Thu 12-Jul-18 16:48:22

www.hamhigh.co.uk/news/environment/kenwood-ladies-pond-city-of-london-to-create-inclusive-gender-policy-1-5602815

"The City of London Corporation has waded into the row over trans women’s rights at Kenwood Ladies’ Pond to help stop other swimmers discriminating against them."

Azie09 Fri 13-Jul-18 19:35:28

Good article Sparklefizz from which a small quote, the 'we' being the group Women's Place:

"The women worried about these changes in the law come from all parties and none. We don’t want to silence the transgender campaigners who dis-agree with us: they have every right to be heard. But they have no difficulty with being heard — since wealthy charities, prominent politicians and media figures make their case frequently and loudly, often while calling for us to keep quiet. The people who run the country hear their voices daily. All we ask is that they have the chance to hear ours too."

SueDonim Fri 13-Jul-18 20:34:45

Some stats here, Jura.

gendertrender.wordpress.com/2015/04/07/statistics-show-the-difference-in-rates-of-violent-crimes-against-women-committed-by-transwomen-versus-non-transgender-males/

fairplayforwomen.com/transgender-prisoners/

jura2 Fri 13-Jul-18 20:59:33

Interesting article - but there is a very strong bias in the text.

In a hospital or public pool situation, I fail to see how relevant it is. Women share facilities with men and women who have a potential to be violent, like everyone else- as the text indicates. No difference.

winterwhite Fri 13-Jul-18 21:12:34

Azie made an interesting point higher up the thread about the newness of the trans trend. I’ve wondered about that too, and possible causes. I’ve even wondered whether the ingestion of hormones fed to beef cattle, or milk cows, could be influencing human hormones in some way. Esp perhaps since we are now hearing that children under 5 are affected for which, if genuine, there surely has to be an explanation.

FarNorth Fri 13-Jul-18 22:47:08

I am very dubious about young children being trans.
There are many videos on YouTube of trans children and it seems to me that many of them are simply not stereotypical male or female but have been told that boys/girls do certain things, wear certain things etc.
They have then been told, by trusted adults, that they can 'become' the other sex and have believed that this is what they need to do.

FarNorth Fri 13-Jul-18 23:07:59

I have never been to the Hampstead swimming ponds, Maw Broon, but I'm told the ladies pond is a very lovely, relaxed environment where women can be naked onshore, if they wish.
That may well change once men become aware that they only have to say "I identify as a woman" at the gate and that they will get straight in.

Although it's unlikely that transmen (natal women) are any threat to men, the visit of ManFriday women to the men's pond caused outrage among the men who were there.