The cliff edges nearer because May doesn’t want to split party!

Another one here sick of the B word, and the total confusion, no explanations, no feeling of a secure future, it seems to be a complete mess.
I would love to sound more positive.

Swiss are known for sitting on fences and popping out when it suits them! Cuckoo!

PEC - ahahahaha glad you enjoyed that little joke. As for Cuckoos, surely you know they come from the Black Forest in Southern Germany. Must say I have never seen a cuckoo sitting on a fence either - but there you go.

Don't you just love streotypes, hey.

PECS Will we have greater negotiating power as an small independent country or as part of a much bigger group with more to offer? I thought there was something abut economies of scale? But I am not a economic expert ... Please stop talking common sense, you are beginning to sound like someone who knows what they are talking about and is using logic. You will soon be accused of 'project fear'. Time to duck.

GG I think its because much of the protection we have has come from EU laws and once they are gone it seems likely that things will go downhill. If you believe there is corruption in the EU then surely the best way to deal with it is to be inside rather than having to follow EU rules and have no say in how it is run?

Hazy I would be interested to know what you mean by how the EU is treating us. What would you do differently if we were in the EU and another country planned to leave?

Urmston does that mean we haven't gained anything? I thought we were promised better deals after leaving the EU.

Semantics Nonnie it’s a good deal.
Hopefully the beginning of many more - better or ‘as good as’.
Let’s not be churlish. There would be howls of derision if this first struck trade deal had been regarded as ‘less than’.
Upwards & onwards!

GG sorry to,disappoint but I have a wide and varied vocabulary and nothing is off the agenda. If I think a ‘swear’ word is called for and it doesn’t meet with your approval just put your fingers in your ears and clutch your pearls....if physically possible.

Personally I’m with Dame Judy

Nonnie have you been watching “Inside the EU the last 10 years”?

They have continually ignored and sometimes humiliated the UK. Why would you want that for your Country?

I've never seen a cuckoo sitting on a fence either but I've always been puzzled about their desire to nest in clocks.

Anyway moving forward did anyone say they would be happy with a Customs Union ...which is NOT the same as the Single Market and its commitment to free movement of labour?

merlot ?

Inside the EU is a very informative programme. Part 3 is tonight.

If ever I questioned my decision to vote Leave, having seen it I'm now more than sure my reasoning was correct.

Anja I have not said anything about your language?

Funny..it confirmed my remain convictions! polarised forever due to bloody idiot Cameron!

The issue that most concerns me is climate change. The topic is shamefully neglected on Gransnet. I read all the posts by Lemongrove, Day 6 etc (the articulate and intelligent Leavers )to see what they think we will be doing after Brexit but find nothing. At least the EU seems to get climate change although some of its policies eg the introduction of LED lightbulbs are castigated by the popular press as if the EU was condemning us to sit in the dark rather than try to save the planet. Michael Gove is (surprisingly) doing quite well but it is said that he will be moved after Brexit. Do we really fancy Owen (the badgers moved the goal posts) Patterson or Chris (failing) Grayling in charge of all matters to do with climate change? Aren't we better off in a bloc to tackle this burning (literally) issue together?

Sorry GG13 ‘Twas another to whom I refer!

If you start another thread on this topic onneker you may well find you get a lot more response than posting on this one..

Anja ?

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just saying

I do agree that Gove (surprisingly) has made a good job at environment. Surely Owen Patterson has held this role previously and made a serious cock-up of it?

Apologies to the other GG if my language again offend. Perhaps I ought to have said balls-up?

onneker I think we will be putting in place various policies on climate change once The Brexit withdrawal deal is over and done with.Trade talks will go on of course, but can’t see any reason why the UK cannot do all we would have done had we stayed in the EU and in fact, we could go even further than EU countries are doing, why not, it would be our choice.
Gove is keen on all sorts of green policies, but no doubt others are too.As a country we are already not too bad where the environment is concerned, electric cars can’t be all that far off, diesel cars should be phased out, just for starters.
Brexit has taken centre stage for two years but that should change soon.

Love it PECS - can't believe you took time to find one, lol.

oh Lemon, where to start ...

Anyway moving forward did anyone say they would be happy with a Customs Union ...

I did, Anja

And added the rider that it would be far better to stay in the EU as we would have a say over everything.

As for the claim that the EU didn't let the UK get its own way, can I remind you all that when the Chinese were flooding Europe with cheap steel and threatening our steel industry, it was the UK which objected to the EU's anti-dumping measures and so blocked them. The NE suffered with the resultant closure of the steel works on Teeside.

Sorry Maizie I think I did acknowledge your post. I should have asked if anyone new had replied.

jura rather wish that you wouldn’t start ( at all) as your every post is filled with gloom and doom and armageddon scenarios.
There is no reason at all that the UK should fall behind in any green issues for the future, and the fact that you think it will ( presumably) is to do with every negative thought and message you can cram into all threads to do with Brexit.

Urmston I disagree that it is semantics, it is not the better deal we were promised. You are however right that there would have been howls of derision if it had been worse.

No GG I haven't. Why did you suggest I wanted that? I find that people who twist what others say are doing themselves a disservice and very few people are taken in by it.