The cliff edges nearer because May doesn’t want to split party!

all biased to the evil EU

Andy I know I'm going to regret responding to your post, but here goes. The EU is not evil. We have gained a lot from being a member, i.e. regeneration of many city/town centres for example. We have enjoyed trade with partners in the EU and internationally via EU trade agreements. We have been in a partnership in which we prospered, so much so, we were the 5th wealthiest nation in the world AS A MEMBER. What was wrong with that?

The problem was this - the inequitable distribution of that wealth within the UK, leaving some areas grossly underfunded and neglected .

Who was responsible for that? Not the EU. It was the British Government. That cannot be laid at the doors of the EU. WE did it to ourselves. WE inflicted dire poverty on communities and caused families needing food banks. WE imposed austerity on areas already greatly suffering unemployment. WE did it to our own people.

And it turns out there was a money tree after all! The DUP have found it and it's thriving.

The EU and the representatives of all the other nations have a job to do looking to the welfare of their own people. We are wrong to expect them to be overly concerned about what happens to us now and that does not make them evil.

Yet another post from andy referring to the EU as 'evil'. I find this totally unacceptable. Do we foster good relationships with others by calling them 'evil?' History should have taught us what that sort of attitude leads to. And please, don't tell me it's only a joke. I find it strange that some posters encourage andy to carry on with his childish, offensive comments.

I think andy knows that the EU is 'evil' in exactly the same way as John Redwood is a 'fantastic, honest guy'.
It's just silly banter. We are grans, we are used to children acting up. We can rise above it.
(He's going to come back with some idiotic comment about that isn't he????)
just to show I can do them as well!

New twist on this announced on the BBC:

Commons Speaker John Bercow has ruled out the government holding another vote on its previously rejected Brexit agreement if the motion remains "substantially the same".

Good for Bercow standing up for parliament. He only allowed the second "meaningful vote" beacause there had been some renegotiation, but a third vote on exactly the same deal would be totally against the rules of our parliamentary democracy.

I wonder if HQ could fuse some of the Brexit threads, as we are saying the same things on at least 3 threads now.

Mumsnet has 50 brexit threads which have had postings on the last 5 days, that is just the first page of brexit threads and there are forty pages.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eu_referendum_2016_

Obviously there is some repetition such as "we won, get over it " which we all see on the GN threads but brexit is the most important political decision of our lifetimes and there is still a great deal of ignorance to be dispelled.

If anything we need more serious informative postings on brexit, not less. Perhaps the leavers are frightened that they might eventually have the light shine on their spurious arguments and their lack of positive reasons for brexit exposed. The two pathetic "good news about brexit" threads have only shown up the total lack of good news about brexit.

My point was varian that posters of all views are replicating exactly the same thoughts on all threads, it’s rather silly and could be all one thread.

So only Remainer views are ‘serious and informative’ now, according to varian .......dear oh dear.

oooh mumsnet a fun place, zzzzzzzz

All will be fine not lone to go til we exit.....

celebrate here


fun times.

good times prosperity for GB

Not for the first time lemon you misquote me.

Anyone who has been paying attention for the last three years should have learned by now that the whole question of the relationship between the UK and the other 27 members of the EU, and the implications of us leaving the EU, is a very complicated question.

If we take it seriously there is much to be discussed and anyone who still thinks it is simply a matter of "just leave" has a great deal to learn.

serious and informative - well look at andy's 100s of posts- no information, no links, no real opinion - so not very informative- just as an exemple.

To be fair- the Labour Party- is just as split as the Tories. And JC much worse than Mrs May, however bad she is.

If you had one Party wanting one thing, and another wanting the opposite- the situation would be (relatively) easy- but both are totally divided, and with sub groups wanting totally different things. How on earth is the EU supposed to negotiate, when the country is totally split, and the main parties totally split - and don't agree, on either side, never mind each other on opposite sides- what they actually want ?!?

oooh I just love being here and belonging, thank you.

a great future awaits my beloved UK.

and I am so happy because my opinion matters too

Sherelle Jacobs, commenting in The Telegraph, encourages the brexitextreemists in the Tory Party not to go along with May's deal.

"If capitulating MPs back Theresa May's deal, it will destroy Brexit and the Tory party.

What a depressing spectacle U-turning Brexiteers are to behold. Politicians who boomed and blustered about our country being reduced to a backwater vassal state have now morosely capitulated. MPs who faced down Theresa May's deal twice because it leaves our country a rule taker without a get-out clause will now limply wave it through.

And many Leavers now seek to defy the gravity of basic logic by making the ridiculous leap that the best way to "get Brexit over the line" is to back this non-Brexit deal."

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/03/18/capitulating-mps-back-theresa-mays-deal-will-destroy-brexit/

all good fun, so great WTO soon

Keen observers of Brexit will know by now that nobody has a weaker understanding of WTO rules than the very advocates of a no deal Brexit. Perhaps marred by desperation, the no dealers have retreated back to one of their favourite policy safe spaces in an attempt to avoid any kind of second thought or realisation that may have made errors. It is, as Roland Smith put it just recently, the 'I have no solutions and can't be arsed to think option'.

www.norgroveblog.co.uk/

i just am excited for WTO is it easy simple and fair and worldwide

i just am excited for WTO is it easy simple and fair and worldwide

Perhaps you'd like to explain WTO rules and regulations to the rest of us as you're such an expert Andy? And how long they're likely to take to implement after we leave. After all we don't want to be left in a trading vacuum for any length of time.

May’s deal isn’t a bad deal at all, and many who voted to Leave would be happy for it to be accepted, which I hope will happen.?

her deal is in the customs union with the EU

This alone means her deal is not leaving but remaining .

The hardline brexiters are actually right to point out that May's deal, or indeed any kind of "soft brexit", would entail observing EU rules in order to maintain "frictionless trade", whilst having no part in forming these rules.

As Tory MP Sam Gyimah said when he resigned from the government, brexit means losing our voice, our vote and our veto.

Obviously we are far better off as we are now as full members of the EU, the world's largest and most successful trading bloc.

no we are not.

no way

better out on WTO deal, loads of countries are not in the Evil EU and not governed by them politically

this EU is a political super state and has taken away our sovereignty

I am thrilled to see GB UK great again

I voted leave and would be perfectly happy with Mrs Mays deal and I'm praying that it will eventually go through. Personally I think she has worked like a trojan to get a deal that isn't perfect, but at least it gives everybody on both sides something. I can't imagine how she's kept going all these months with collapsing with exhaustion, and for that alone T.M has my complete admiration. A good proportion of MP's on both front benches are a complete disgrace, this whole sorry episode a nightmare and the sooner it's put a stop to the better!

I agree jabber The only way to put a stop to it - to put a stop to the whole brexit nonsense, is to Revoke Article 50 and Remain in the EU.

Any kind of brexit would damage our country. All the politicians know that and they need to be reminded that it is their duty not to vote for anything that could damage their constituents and the whole of the UK.

They should as soon as possible Revoke Article 50 and the UK could then Remain in the EU.